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re: Is John Wooden the greatest collegiate coach of all-time?
Posted on 7/16/20 at 2:18 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 7/16/20 at 2:18 pm to RollTide1987
People just focus on Kareem and Walton and say, of course Wooden won he had those big men.
But he won his first two titles in that same decade with a small lineup that played full-court pressure (when nobody was doing that) and ran a fast break offense.
UCLA hadn't won shite before Wooden came along. There wasn't a Kansas heritage or North Carolina or Kentucky heritage.
But he won his first two titles in that same decade with a small lineup that played full-court pressure (when nobody was doing that) and ran a fast break offense.
UCLA hadn't won shite before Wooden came along. There wasn't a Kansas heritage or North Carolina or Kentucky heritage.
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Posted on 7/16/20 at 2:36 pm to SoFla Tideroller
Wooden and the Bear
Both cheated and used every loophole to their advantage.
Both cheated and used every loophole to their advantage.
Posted on 7/16/20 at 2:43 pm to RollTide1987
He had the greatest bagman of all time, forgot his name, think it was Sid something
Posted on 7/16/20 at 2:47 pm to nicholastiger
Everyone had a bag man. I'm done with the days of naivete that only the ones who got caught cheated.
The fact that all the other big name programs hated UCLA during that time and the NCAA was obviously focusing on them but their competitors apparently didn't say a peep - because, gosh, they might start looking at my program.
Nobody wanted to rock the boat.
And Bear Bryant won 3 "National Championships" playing an all-white schedule. Just saying.
The fact that all the other big name programs hated UCLA during that time and the NCAA was obviously focusing on them but their competitors apparently didn't say a peep - because, gosh, they might start looking at my program.
Nobody wanted to rock the boat.
And Bear Bryant won 3 "National Championships" playing an all-white schedule. Just saying.
Posted on 7/16/20 at 2:58 pm to RollTide1987
quote:
Is John Wooden the greatest collegiate coach of all-time?
Are we talking all college sports? If just basketball, he def has a case and that would apply to all sports as well, here's the context for the era in which Wooden thrived:
-no three-point line
-players stayed all 4 years
-no shot clock
-no dunking, thanks to one of Wooden's players Lew Alcindor
-more simple offensive/defensive college schemes (complex basketball coaching didn't emerge until the early 80s when the pros started enacting all the illegal defense rules to open up the paint since almost no one took 3s then)
-easier to get away with NCAA violations
critical factors to Wooden's success (outside of his great coaching and leadership):
-West Coast-based team ie black basketball players played there sooner than other schools
-Sam Gilbert
-weak conference
-always had the most talented players
the argument for Wooden (simplified):
-his W-L record and titles
-winning streaks
-one of the most revered coaches across multiple sports
-class personified
-made all that talent play as a unit and it worked
-1975, not the most talented UCLA title team, showed he could take his'un and beat your'un and vice versa for all the doubters who argued he was only good if leading great talent
I personally think Knight's among the all-time greatest for his ability as a game strategist and ability to lead collections of comparatively (to the other big boys) inferior talent to great success wherever he's coached, he coaches past the talent and that's the true mark of an all-time great coach. He isn't as revered as Wooden because of his infamous temper and Army disciplinarian nature but dude coached them up good.
This post was edited on 7/16/20 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 7/16/20 at 3:48 pm to SoFla Tideroller
quote:
John Wooden has this squeaky clean reputation, but he was filthy dirty.
Wooden had a lot of advantages that most college BB coaches didn't have.
Businessman Sam Gilbert was the biggest.
Posted on 7/16/20 at 3:53 pm to Gus007
100 other coaches would win with kareem and lucius allen.
walton and the ovc champs beat all comers.
his real accomplishment was the little guys who won one.
walton and the ovc champs beat all comers.
his real accomplishment was the little guys who won one.
Posted on 7/16/20 at 4:06 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:
Everyone had a bag man. I'm done with the days of naivete that only the ones who got caught cheated.
Yeah but then people need to stop selling the crap that he won because he was so detail oriented "he taught them how to tie their shoes".
Posted on 7/16/20 at 4:17 pm to RollTide1987
John Wooden was Nick Saban with an aw shucks personality.
By Nick Saban I mean he had the bagman and cutout scheme down to an art form too.
By Nick Saban I mean he had the bagman and cutout scheme down to an art form too.
Posted on 7/16/20 at 4:39 pm to RollTide1987
Larry Kehres
332-24-3 (.929 winning percentage)
11 national titles
ZERO scholarships
332-24-3 (.929 winning percentage)
11 national titles
ZERO scholarships
This post was edited on 7/16/20 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 7/16/20 at 6:23 pm to Jim Rockford
Nobody skirted rules like Coach Bryant. Using Golf and Swimming Scholarships for football players allowed him to sign 15 QB’s in 1978.
Saban has had to be more clever with his over signing and oops visits with prospects. Nobody lives in the grey areas more than that little bastard.
Saban has had to be more clever with his over signing and oops visits with prospects. Nobody lives in the grey areas more than that little bastard.
Posted on 7/16/20 at 7:35 pm to SoulBrotha91
quote:
-weak conference
When Tark started having success at Long Beach State, the NCAA hopped on his arse for a 30-year ride.
Posted on 7/16/20 at 8:22 pm to VABuckeye
quote:
Larry Kehres
332-24-3 (.929 winning percentage)
11 national titles
ZERO scholarships
John MacDonald - Arky Track, track can run up the titles because there are 3 each year
whoever the ND fencing coach was
Posted on 7/16/20 at 8:41 pm to gthog61
In addition, he coached in that small window of time when most bb powers did not welcome AA players and headed to So Cal to play for a great coach. Eventually, the South (ACC) saw the light and UCLA’s advantage disappeared.
Posted on 7/16/20 at 9:12 pm to RollTide1987
Fielding Yost. 198-35-12
6 national championships 56-0-1 record with those 6 teams. 1901 Michigan team scored 550 points and held their opponents to 0.
10 Western/Big Ten titles.
Throw in an undefeated Kansas team he coached as well. It was the first and only season he coached at Kansas.
6 national championships 56-0-1 record with those 6 teams. 1901 Michigan team scored 550 points and held their opponents to 0.
10 Western/Big Ten titles.
Throw in an undefeated Kansas team he coached as well. It was the first and only season he coached at Kansas.
Posted on 7/16/20 at 9:25 pm to VABuckeye
quote:
Larry Kehres
332-24-3 (.929 winning percentage)
11 national titles
ZERO scholarships
I'm surprised he spent his entire career at Mount. There was speculation that he was in the running for the OSU job in 2001. That probably would have been too big of a leap but he could have named his job at any of the Ohio MAC schools or Cincinnati.
Posted on 7/16/20 at 11:40 pm to RollTide1987
Eddie Robinson
Posted on 7/16/20 at 11:42 pm to SeeeeK
quote:
the original bagman started with him
Started way before Wooden and Gilbert.
Posted on 7/16/20 at 11:43 pm to RollTide1987
geno auriemma
Posted on 7/17/20 at 1:01 am to RD Dawg
quote:
quote:
the original bagman started with him
Started way before Wooden and Gilbert.
Rockne had players who were just at ND for a year, barely students - just there to play football. You could say anyone was a student back then.
As soon as Collegiate sports became a thing in America, so did "so-called" cheating.
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