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re: Is John Calipari the greatest CBB coach to never win a national title?

Posted on 3/5/12 at 4:04 pm to
Posted by blzr
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Posted on 3/5/12 at 4:04 pm to
Gene Bartow
Posted by Bubba Hotep
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Posted on 3/5/12 at 4:09 pm to
Rick Majerus.

If he wasn't a big fat arse with all of the associated health problems, he would have already won one. I think he is the best in the country from an X/O standpoint.
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
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Posted on 3/5/12 at 4:09 pm to
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UNC had a soccer player from the Leeds United academy


Posted by Bubba Hotep
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Posted on 3/5/12 at 4:17 pm to
It's pretty simple: You can be a pro, just not in the sport you choose to play in college (althought I never understood the Jeremy Bloom deal. Perhaps it was because he was doing it during the school year.)

Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Posted on 3/5/12 at 4:39 pm to
The UNC Leeds United example would suggest otherwise, same with the Bloom situation.

And also unpaid amateurs on pro teams are not allowed in college basketball, but golfers from college can go play in the Masters or the US Open.
Posted by ProjectP2294
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Posted on 3/5/12 at 5:08 pm to
The Bloom situation is different than most of the other ones discussed. Bloom did not forfeit his eligiblity by participating in the winter sports events. He did so by accepting sponsorships. If he were able to fund his training without sponsors, he would have been able to do both.

Once he traded on his name, he forfeited his amateur status in all sports.

As everyone knows, only the NCAA is allowed to cash in on an amateur athletes name and likeness.


And to the point about Kanter's worst-case scenario being an NBA player in practice at Kentucky, Josh Harrelson would still be an uncoordinated good had he not had to hone his skills everyday in practice against Kanter. His development skyrocketed last season at Kentucky due to Kanter's presence.
Posted by Pilot Tiger
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Posted on 3/5/12 at 5:14 pm to
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And....that's where the NAIA comes in.... Nothing but 35 year old dudes who played in the third division Turkish pro leagues
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 3/5/12 at 5:41 pm to
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Coach Cal is a cheater, I do not consider that good coaching


I've never understood how "cheating" ie violating NCAA rules maybes players better. He goes out and gets the best players, just like Saban in FB. Whether they get some cash under the table or his parents get a house, how does that make him a better player?
This post was edited on 3/5/12 at 6:13 pm
Posted by busey
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Posted on 3/5/12 at 5:58 pm to
NAIA is basically on par with NCAA D3, except there are almost no rules regarding eligibility requirements. The result (at least in basketball and soccer) is teams that are almost entirely washed up former European pros who couldn't cut in the lower level pro leagues overseas.
Posted by mattz1122
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Posted on 3/5/12 at 6:15 pm to
Guy Lewis

- 30 years as a head coach
- 592 career wins (279 losses, .680 winning percentage)
- Five NCAA Final Four appearances
- Two NCAA Final appearances (no national championship)
- Three 30-plus-win seasons
- Four conference championships
- Produced 10 first round NBA draft selections, and 29 NBA players in total (3 Hall of Famers)
- Winning Coach of the Game of the Century vs. UCLA in the Astrodome
- Named National Coach of the Year in 1968, and again in 1983
- Coach of four Southwest Conference Tournament champions -- 1978, 1981, 1983 and 1984
Posted by TDawg1313
WA
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Posted on 3/5/12 at 7:27 pm to
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If he went to Washington U, he probably would had been playing last year.

Romar backed off after he found out about the eligibility issues.

And I think you can change the title to, "Is John Calipari the greatest CBB coach to never make it to the Final Four?"
Posted by Srbtiger06
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Posted on 3/5/12 at 7:38 pm to
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"Is John Calipari the greatest CBB coach to never make it to the Final Four?"



....?
Posted by blzr
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Posted on 3/5/12 at 7:47 pm to
[quote] "Is John Calipari the greatest CBB coach to never make it to the Final Four?"

Last year hasn't been vacated.. yet.

This post was edited on 3/5/12 at 7:49 pm
Posted by TDawg1313
WA
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Posted on 3/5/12 at 7:52 pm to
Ahh that's right, slipped my mind for some reason. It was his first 2 that were vacated.
Posted by thenry712
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Posted on 3/5/12 at 8:43 pm to
He's a great recruiter, and a mediocre game coach. He gets by with the freakish athletes he recruits.

His teams can't hit free throws and often look completely lost against the zone.

Case and Point: 2010 Regional Final, Kentucky vs. West Virginia

His team had five NBA draft picks and couldn't break Huggins' 1-3-1 zone. Wall and Bledsoe just clanked a bunch of threes, and didn't even try to feed Patterson and Cousins.

Cal made zero adjustments until late in the second half, and even then Kentucky still bricked all of their crucial free throws.
Posted by busey
First Coast, Florida
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 3/5/12 at 9:03 pm to
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His teams can't hit free throws


lolwut

This year's team is great at the line.

Lost against the zone? Please tell me when this year's team has EVER looked "lost".


You can say he's a terrible in-game coach all you want. But you'd be wrong. Or at the very least, you'd be disagreeing with Dicky V and Jay Bilas. So take solace in that.
This post was edited on 3/5/12 at 9:05 pm
Posted by thenry712
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Posted on 3/5/12 at 9:08 pm to
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Lost against the zone? Please tell me when this year's team has EVER looked "lost".



See second half against Vanderbilt, where Vandy stormed back from like a 17 point deficit.

Vandy switched to a zone, stopped Davis, scored quickly.

They eventually went on the lose, but it's a simple way to beat Kentucky. Force them to rely on the three. It's a dangerous gambit, but it's the only way to beat Calipari's athletes.
Posted by busey
First Coast, Florida
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 3/5/12 at 9:10 pm to
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but it's a simple way to beat Kentucky


It's so incredibly simple that only one team was able to do it all season. Makes sense.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 3/5/12 at 9:24 pm to
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His teams can't hit free throws


This particular team led the conference most of the season in free throw percentage, finishing second to Florida (74%).

quote:

often look completely lost against the zone


Re: The Vandy game

Vandy also started hitting from the outside late. They may have looked lost against the zone early on but they absolutely ran Georgia out of the gym when they tried it late in the season by shooting them out of it. Now that Davis is starting to showcase his jumper, I don't think a zone is going to contain them either.

Kentucky is also 2nd in the league to Vandy in 3 point percentage (41%). So your logic is a bit flawed.

ETA: For the sake of discussion, Kentucky is 22nd in the country in 3 pt percentage and 67th in Free Throw Percentage.
This post was edited on 3/5/12 at 9:28 pm
Posted by HoLeInOnEr05
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Posted on 3/5/12 at 9:25 pm to
busey, I thought you were going on a hiatus?
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