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re: Is J. Russell the worst #1 overall pick
Posted on 3/31/10 at 1:46 pm to GABlueDog
Posted on 3/31/10 at 1:46 pm to GABlueDog
More power to you, but the fact remains that injuries cannot be just "forgotten" about when determining bad picks. For instance, you can't argue that Carter would have been a great pick if he were't injured. Noone will ever know that, because it's completely hypothetical. What we do know is that Cincinnati wasted a pick on a guy who put up arguably the worst statistical career of any #1 ever.
This post was edited on 3/31/10 at 1:48 pm
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Posted on 3/31/10 at 1:48 pm to Rouge
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i want to be that kind of dumbass
Do you really want to go through life that dumb? Money comes and goes but dumbass sticks with a man like a cloud.
Lets go another step. For HUNDREDS of millions would you go full retard?
Posted on 3/31/10 at 1:50 pm to bomber77
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Lets face it, the guy is a dumbass.
didn't he score higher on the wonderlic than tebow?
granted tebow was slightly below average but I don't think it's his IQ that is teh issue
Posted on 3/31/10 at 1:52 pm to hojo
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Unlucky or not, I'm pretty sure Cincinnati didn't look at it as being a "great" pick. Injuries in sports are always part of the equation, and so are equally part of the inherent risk in drafting players.
Injuries do not make one a bust, unless one had a history of injuries in college.
This post was edited on 3/31/10 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 3/31/10 at 1:55 pm to Sophandros
i absolutely love when people defend jamarcus on here.
ETA: just to be sure, im speaking in general and simply responded to the last post.
ETA: just to be sure, im speaking in general and simply responded to the last post.
This post was edited on 3/31/10 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 3/31/10 at 1:56 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
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i absolutely love when people defend jamarcus on here.
ETA: just to be sure, im speaking in general and simply responded to the last post.
No worries, kid.
Posted on 3/31/10 at 1:57 pm to Sophandros
Regardless of whether Carter fits into your narrow definition of bust, the topic is centered on "bad picks." And statistically speaking, Carter is the worst. By far. Find someone worse than him. Horrible pick.
Posted on 3/31/10 at 1:58 pm to hojo
So who will end up as a better QB in the NFL. Russell or Greg Paulus?
Posted on 3/31/10 at 2:00 pm to KCBasketball
JR throws more TD passes
Posted on 3/31/10 at 2:00 pm to hojo
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Regardless of whether Carter fits into your narrow definition of bust, the topic is centered on "bad picks." And statistically speaking, Carter is the worst. By far. Find someone worse than him. Horrible pick
Carter didnt cost his team any games or progress within the organization. Just a lost pick. The Raiders however have stuck with this cancer for 3 years and he is just as bad as ever. Granted the organization stinks but Russell has been a three year infection that wont clear up. A far worst draft pick in my mind.
How are there people still left that defend this guy? Amazing!
Posted on 3/31/10 at 2:01 pm to KCBasketball
Time will tell...but I'd wager Paulus wins in a game of HORSE.
Posted on 3/31/10 at 2:02 pm to KCBasketball
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So who will end up as a better QB in the NFL. Russell or Greg Paulus?
Do you prefer your failure "could have done it but didn't" or "couldn't do it and didn't"?
Posted on 3/31/10 at 2:02 pm to hojo
An argument could be made that Bo Jackson was the worst as he didn't sign with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and his rights went back into the draft the next year.
Dan "Big Daddy" Wilkerson didn't work out too well.
Tim Brown and Courtney Brown were huge busts for the Browns.
Dan "Big Daddy" Wilkerson didn't work out too well.
Tim Brown and Courtney Brown were huge busts for the Browns.
Posted on 3/31/10 at 2:03 pm to bomber77
Yeah, you're right. Losing your #1 overall running back won't set an organization back. Think about all those great mid-90's Bengals teams....wait a minute...
Posted on 3/31/10 at 2:06 pm to hojo
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statistically speaking, Carter is the worst. By far
20/20 hindsight, injuries do happen, but career ending/altering ones are not the norm.
Bo Jackson has to be in the convo using your rationale, not because he didn't produce anything ever, but Tampa drafted him #1, he signed a baseball contract and never played for them. He went back into the draft and the Raiders took him, TB got nothing.
Other names to consider: Alex Smith, Kenneth Sims
Posted on 3/31/10 at 2:06 pm to molsusports
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Do you prefer your failure "could have done it but didn't" or "couldn't do it and didn't"?
Im not a failure. I went with my heart. Im actually thinking of getting back into it and trying out for the minor league team here next season.
Posted on 3/31/10 at 2:06 pm to hojo
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Yeah, you're right.
I know I am, thanks.
Are you really such a desperate Jawhalerus fan that you are digging for one #1 pick in history that is worse than him? AND having to find a guy who got injured to find one?
Posted on 3/31/10 at 2:07 pm to hojo
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Yeah, you're right. Losing your #1 overall running back won't set an organization back. Think about all those great mid-90's Bengals teams....wait a minute...
losing KiJana Carter was not their only problem.
Posted on 3/31/10 at 2:08 pm to hojo
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Regardless of whether Carter fits into your narrow definition of bust,
My definition of bust is not that narrow. A bust is a bad pick that sets the organization back in a material manner due to issues that could be foreseen via solid scouting.
Freak injuries are unforeseen. Then again, you'd probably call Reggie Lewis a bust because he didn't contribute to the Boston Celtics everything that they expected due to his untimely "injury"...
Your too broad definition of a "bust" is the sort of thing that people who are incapable of analytic thought would come up with, because to do otherwise would require you to think things through a little bit.
Posted on 3/31/10 at 2:09 pm to Suntiger
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An argument could be made that Bo Jackson was the worst as he didn't sign with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and his rights went back into the draft the next year.
Best example ever.
Bo Jackson is a bust, according to hojo.
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