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re: Interesting Article About State of College Sports In 1975
Posted on 7/28/22 at 9:11 am to bamameister
Posted on 7/28/22 at 9:11 am to bamameister
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You aren't stopping greed and midtier teams have done nothing for themselves but complain. I haven't seen one thing they have done nationally to promote their own brand of football. Have you? I've seen what FCS schools have done.
50 years ago they should have looked in the mirror and dropped down to the right weight division. There isn't much of a career to be had if a middleweight is constantly taking on heavyweights.
Can you please give me some examples of schools that should have dropped down?
Especially when you consider that there were fewer teams 50 years ago than there are today in Division 1 football.
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Posted on 7/28/22 at 9:21 am to grizzlylongcut
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Can you please give me some examples of schools that should have dropped down?
Do you not get that I'm describing midtier teams that have done nothing to promote their own brand of football? Why would they be willing to settle all these decades being lumped in with the fortunes of Power 5 football? And when lightning finally does strike, like Cincy last season, they are hopelessly out of their weight class.
And to project about the near future, if we do indeed go all supernova with these new conferences you may see a lot of power 5 teams outside looking in.
Posted on 7/28/22 at 9:22 am to bamameister
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haven't seen one thing they have done nationally to promote their own brand of football. Have you? I've seen what FCS schools have done. 50 years ago they should have looked in the mirror and dropped down to the right weight division. There isn't much of a career to be had if a middleweight is constantly taking on heavyweights.
I’m sure that would go over real well at Boise State…
Or somewhere like ULM after they beat Alabama and later top 10 Arkansas.
Or ULL when they had the national spotlight for their ranked matchup at Texas. That’s why they’re in FBS. They might be cool with trying to win conference championships and going for big upsets like that. Expand the playoff a little bit as has been rumored and every conference will have the chance to produce a team that can at least be top 12 or 16.
Posted on 7/28/22 at 9:27 am to bamameister
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Do you not get that I'm describing midtier teams that have done nothing to promote their own brand of football? Why would they be willing to settle all these decades being lumped in with the fortunes of Power 5 football? And when lightning finally does strike, like Cincy last season, they are hopelessly out of their weight class.
And to project about the near future, if we do indeed go all supernova with these new conferences you may see a lot of power 5 teams outside looking in.
I do get that. What you seem to miss though is don't you think that those teams are pretty secure where they are in the pecking order?
I don't want to stop change because I'm an LSU fan, I want to stop this change because I'm a college football fan. The folks in charge are not.
This post was edited on 7/28/22 at 9:29 am
Posted on 7/28/22 at 9:27 am to chalmetteowl
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I’m sure that would go over real well at Boise State…
Or somewhere like ULM after they beat Alabama and later top 10 Arkansas.
Or ULL when they had the national spotlight for their ranked matchup at Texas. That’s why they’re in FBS. They might be cool with trying to win conference championships and going for big upsets like that. Expand the playoff a little bit as has been rumored and every conference will have the chance to produce a team that can at least be top 12 or 16.
Exactly.
Eta: except for the playoff expansion. I'd rather do away with the playoff. I like regular season games meaning a lot.
This post was edited on 7/28/22 at 9:30 am
Posted on 7/28/22 at 9:30 am to chalmetteowl
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I’m sure that would go over real well at Boise State…
Or somewhere like ULM after they beat Alabama and later top 10 Arkansas.
Or ULL when they had the national spotlight for their ranked matchup at Texas. That’s why they’re in FBS. They might be cool with trying to win conference championships and going for big upsets like that. Expand the playoff a little bit as has been rumored and every conference will have the chance to produce a team that can at least be top 12 or 16.
If they are "cool" with it, they need to stop bitchin. So, you want to continue to try to fix what hasn't worked for mid-tier teams in the last 50 years? They could be celebrating 50 years of national champions in their weight class if they just knew their place. Instead, UCF has to buy a banner and get some paint and proclaim victory.
And if Cincy had to come out of the SEC they would have been struggling for the Liberty Bowl.
Posted on 7/28/22 at 9:32 am to grizzlylongcut
Put North Dakota St in the MAC or Montana in the MWC and they absolutely could do what ULL has been doing the past few years for example. They absolutely could be like Boise.
But because they’re in the lower division they just won’t get that kind of recognition. That’s why you move up if able
But because they’re in the lower division they just won’t get that kind of recognition. That’s why you move up if able
Posted on 7/28/22 at 9:33 am to Bench McElroy
Great article BM! Love these history tidbits! 
Posted on 7/28/22 at 9:37 am to bamameister
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If they are "cool" with it, they need to stop bitchin. So, you want to continue to try to fix what hasn't worked for mid-tier teams in the last 50 years? They could be celebrating 50 years of national champions in their weight class if they just knew their place. Instead, UCF has to buy a banner and get some paint and proclaim victory.
And if Cincy had to come out of the SEC they would have been struggling for the Liberty Bowl.
Again, I'm sure those teams are fairly secure in their place on the pecking order.
Posted on 7/28/22 at 9:43 am to Bench McElroy
In the 2000’s I lived for College football on Saturdays, the NFL was an afterthought and background noise to my hungover naps. Now, I just don’t believe in what college football has turned into, I’m more of an NFL fan, as I believe in fairness and consistency. If you’re going to pay college players, there needs to be rules, salary caps, etc, until then, I give up. I miss the days of Boise State beating OU, Pitt upsetting WV, USC making a run and losing to stanford. Now we just have a few “powerhouses” and that’s it, it’s a boring product and tickets now cost more than many NFL tickets. If I’m going to support paid players, I’m supporting professional players with an established league, not a league who has the highest paying donor per team.
This post was edited on 7/28/22 at 9:45 am
Posted on 7/28/22 at 9:46 am to grizzlylongcut
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Again, I'm sure those teams are fairly secure in their place on the pecking order.
I'm sure of it. That's why BYU, Cincinnati, Houston, and UCF ran, not walked, but ran to the Big 12 table.
Posted on 7/28/22 at 10:29 am to SlickRickerz
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I’m more of an NFL fan
Its like me and the Carolina Panthers.
I know in CFB, South Carolina will never win a national championship. However, in the NFL, I know about once or twice a decade, the Panthers will be competing for a SB or a deep playoff run.
Posted on 7/28/22 at 11:21 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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The issue you don't address is winning and attention. Every SEC and LSU fan wants to win and wants people at Times Square, Grant Park, and Hollywood to yell Geaux Tigers if we are wearing LSU gear at those places and talk LSU football with some random person at a bar when are traveling on business or on vacation somewhere.
I want to win and want the notoriety when we win sure. But I don't really care if people in Times Square are yelling geaux Tigers.
Furthermore, them yelling geaux Tigers doesn't necessarily have to do with the football team as much as it does that LSU is a very large university with alumni all across the world.
Posted on 7/28/22 at 11:30 am to bamameister
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Either try to adapt, as the FCS has done, or you will get run over.
FCS is a disaster. I’d much rather be a G5 program from a purely business perspective.
There’s a reason almost every FCS powerhouse outside the Dakotas has left the FCS in the past 15 years - Georgia Southern, App State, Sam Houston State, James Madison.
This post was edited on 7/28/22 at 11:35 am
Posted on 7/28/22 at 11:34 am to bamameister
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That's capitalism.
How is the American education system capitalist?
These are government-backed entities, so they should be expected to serve a greater purpose. We aren’t talking about Walmart.
Posted on 7/28/22 at 12:13 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
Dude, I travel all over the country regularly, maybe I strike up a conversation in an airport with a guy wearing a purple or yellow LSU shirt, most times I could not give a shite less.
Unlike the pros, the structure of the Athletic departments and TAF is all about spending money and is non profit by design.....and probably a marketing advantage for the upper tier. So they shake down the average fan because the more they get, the more TAF members get paid because as non profit, you have to spend the money or....you are no longer a non profit. So the also come up with more money for ever more athletic things. Like the Nutrition and Football Ops building. New lockerrooms with sleep chambers. New Stadium enhancements.....don't worry upgrades to the Box are probably already in the works
Unlike the pros, the structure of the Athletic departments and TAF is all about spending money and is non profit by design.....and probably a marketing advantage for the upper tier. So they shake down the average fan because the more they get, the more TAF members get paid because as non profit, you have to spend the money or....you are no longer a non profit. So the also come up with more money for ever more athletic things. Like the Nutrition and Football Ops building. New lockerrooms with sleep chambers. New Stadium enhancements.....don't worry upgrades to the Box are probably already in the works
Posted on 7/28/22 at 12:24 pm to RidiculousHype
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all the evidence points in one direction—to a national collegiate superconference with a $100 million TV contract and playoffs into February. Maybe a dozen colleges would survive to make the league.
Pretty amazing foresight for 1975
Really is. I remember reading an article in one of the preseason magazines like Athlon around 1991-92 when the SEC expanded where the author absolutely predicted all of what has happened in college football since. Would love to see it again, but I can't seem to find it online.
May have found it here, but it was originally in the Washington Post.... 1989 WAPO Article about CFB Expansion
This post was edited on 7/28/22 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 7/28/22 at 2:20 pm to RidiculousHype
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Pretty amazing foresight for 1975
it's kind of incredible but it's also been 50 years and that has not happened
Posted on 7/28/22 at 2:56 pm to Bench McElroy
So we've gone back in time this last decade with regards to parity despite being so excited about a playoff opening things up. 
From 1963-1979, it was the same fricking schools winning it every year.
Texas
USC
Notre Dame
Alabama
And we swapped that last decade for the same fricking teams in the playoffs every year:
Clemson
Alabama
Ohio State
Forget the playoffs, same as it ever was.
As to the article, we do have a CFB draft...it's called NIL and transfer portal. But it's for haves, not the have nots. So the gap between the elite and the average will just get wider.
From 1963-1979, it was the same fricking schools winning it every year.
Texas
USC
Notre Dame
Alabama
And we swapped that last decade for the same fricking teams in the playoffs every year:
Clemson
Alabama
Ohio State
Forget the playoffs, same as it ever was.
As to the article, we do have a CFB draft...it's called NIL and transfer portal. But it's for haves, not the have nots. So the gap between the elite and the average will just get wider.
This post was edited on 7/28/22 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 7/28/22 at 3:04 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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As to the article, we do have a CFB draft...it's called NIL and transfer portal. But it's for haves, not the have nots. So the gap between the elite and the average will just get wider.
And the only cap anyone could possibly have in college football right now is the 25/85 hard number. Other than that, it's open season.
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