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re: Intentional Grounding Is Not Really A Penalty
Posted on 12/6/19 at 8:53 pm to BigLSUNut
Posted on 12/6/19 at 8:53 pm to BigLSUNut
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If you get called for the grounding, you are in the same situation as you would be if there was a sack.
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QBs ground the ball to avoid sacks
So they didn't avoid the sack. Are you retarded?
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Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:06 pm to TH03
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So they didn't avoid the sack. Are you retarded?
That is right, they avoided the sack but the penalty is no different than if they took the sack. That is the point a dumbass like you can't comprehend
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:22 pm to BigLSUNut
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That is right, they avoided the sack but the penalty is no different than if they took the sack. That is the point a dumbass like you can't comprehend
but
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Intentional Grounding Is Not Really A Penalty
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:26 pm to BigLSUNut
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That is right, they avoided the sack but the penalty is no different than if they took the sack.
But it is different if it's an incomplete pass.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:39 pm to BigLSUNut
Bunch of wooshes in this thread.
Yes technically it's a penalty, but I think some of y'all are missing the point.
There's really no disincentive to ground the ball if you're on the verge of a sack.
If you're about to get sacked, you might as well toss the ball. If it doesn't get called, you win. If it gets called, then you're down where you would've been sacked. Other than the risk of an INT, there's no disincentive.
Would be better as mentioned to add an additional 5 yards to the spot if the foul to at least give some deterrent to it.
Yes technically it's a penalty, but I think some of y'all are missing the point.
There's really no disincentive to ground the ball if you're on the verge of a sack.
If you're about to get sacked, you might as well toss the ball. If it doesn't get called, you win. If it gets called, then you're down where you would've been sacked. Other than the risk of an INT, there's no disincentive.
Would be better as mentioned to add an additional 5 yards to the spot if the foul to at least give some deterrent to it.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:42 pm to BigLSUNut
Of course it's a penalty, it's an incomplete pass with repercussions. WTF are you talking about?
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:47 pm to Puffoluffagus
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Bunch of wooshes in this thread.
Yes technically it's a penalty, but I think some of y'all are missing the point.
There's really no disincentive to ground the ball if you're on the verge of a sack.
There are very large disincentives to ground a ball especially as the clock is running down
The clock will keep running or there can be a 10 second run down
What is so hard to understand about this? Teams have lost games on intentional grounding
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:51 pm to BigLSUNut
I thought about this the other day as well. When facing a sack there is no downside to grounding call. Throwing the ball at least gives you a chance for an incompletion an additional 5 yards would be an actual deterrent.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:59 pm to Dizz
Why aren't people calling for OL holding to be loss of down? If you're about to give up a sack, there's infinitely more incentive to tackle the defender, since you get a free down.
Grounding is penalized correctly, imo.
The thing I laugh about is how there is absolute zero tolerance on a false start. You can get away with some hard-core handchecking/PI, holding, and a lot of other commonly penalized acts, but if an OL farts, everyone jumps up and down like he just gained the biggest advantage possible.
Grounding is penalized correctly, imo.
The thing I laugh about is how there is absolute zero tolerance on a false start. You can get away with some hard-core handchecking/PI, holding, and a lot of other commonly penalized acts, but if an OL farts, everyone jumps up and down like he just gained the biggest advantage possible.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:00 pm to Dizz
No downside? Grounding in the endzone is a safety.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:16 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
You don’t get many grounding calls in the endZone for that exact reason. There are maybe 4 snaps a game where the QB drops into the endZone.
This post was edited on 12/6/19 at 10:17 pm
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:17 pm to BigLSUNut
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The grounding does not count as a sack and the lost yards are not counted in the stats.
This is incorrect. It does count as a sack and lost yards.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:21 pm to BigLSUNut
Uhh yeah it is. The yardage lost is the penalty.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:34 pm to IAmNERD
When faced with a sack there is no downside to tossing the ball up.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:49 pm to Dizz
Hence the reason for penalty.
Posted on 12/7/19 at 3:45 am to YF12
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There are very large disincentives to ground a ball especially as the clock is running down
The clock will keep running or there can be a 10 second run down
If you're gonna take a sack for a loss, there's a good chance that 10 seconds would run off before you could snap the next play anyway. Sure you definitely get 10secs off the clock if you get called for grounding and it might end the game,... Or you can take the chance of not having the getting grounding calles and getting another play off.
Posted on 12/7/19 at 7:17 am to Puffoluffagus
I don’t think most of these folks are actually reading the OP.
I disagree with it, but it’s clear that most of the folks here are only reading the title.
I disagree with it, but it’s clear that most of the folks here are only reading the title.
Posted on 12/7/19 at 7:20 am to BigLSUNut
I would Argue it’s the BEST penalty
It takes something outside the rules, looks at why it’s outside the rules and penalizes it to compensate the game for if the player had remained inside the rules
grounding is outside the rules.
It’s a penalty because the QB can’t just throw an incomplete pass to no one to avoid a sack.
So how do you correct that? Put the ball where it would have gone if the sack had occurred.
It takes something outside the rules, looks at why it’s outside the rules and penalizes it to compensate the game for if the player had remained inside the rules
grounding is outside the rules.
It’s a penalty because the QB can’t just throw an incomplete pass to no one to avoid a sack.
So how do you correct that? Put the ball where it would have gone if the sack had occurred.
Posted on 12/7/19 at 7:21 am to SammyTiger
I don’t think the OP is using correct terminology. He isn’t arguing whether the QB should be punished, he’s saying there isn’t an incentive for the QB to NOT try and ground the ball, therefore not really a penalty per se.
Which I kind of get. Even bringing safeties and 10 second run offs into the equation, it’s hard to think of a scenario where the QB would be better off or even as bad by taking the sack than grounding the ball
Which I kind of get. Even bringing safeties and 10 second run offs into the equation, it’s hard to think of a scenario where the QB would be better off or even as bad by taking the sack than grounding the ball
This post was edited on 12/7/19 at 7:24 am
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