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re: In their prime.. I need some answers
Posted on 1/21/17 at 2:13 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 1/21/17 at 2:13 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
why is this a huge difference?
it's not.
Trout is currently playing in the better of the two leagues.
Bonds spent his career in the NL which was the better league for a huge chunk of Barry's early career.
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Posted on 1/21/17 at 2:13 pm to lsupride87
Strikeout numbers are staggering. Bonds only had one season with 100+ strikeouts (102 in 1986, his rookie year). Meanwhile, Trout has had 5 seasons with 130+ Ks. Huge disparity in strikeouts to walks, even early in their careers.
Also, pre steroid Bonds was the only 400/400 player in history. Trout could get there in the next 7-10 years.
Also, pre steroid Bonds was the only 400/400 player in history. Trout could get there in the next 7-10 years.
Posted on 1/21/17 at 2:14 pm to lsupride87
Pre-roids Barry, 1986-1997, ages 22-34
-.290 BA
-966 OPS
-164 OPS +
-34 hrs/ YR
-101 RBIs/yr
Mike Trout, 5 seasons, ages 20-25
-.306 BA
-963 OPS
-170 OPS+
-33 hr/yr
-96 RB
-.290 BA
-966 OPS
-164 OPS +
-34 hrs/ YR
-101 RBIs/yr
Mike Trout, 5 seasons, ages 20-25
-.306 BA
-963 OPS
-170 OPS+
-33 hr/yr
-96 RB
Posted on 1/21/17 at 2:17 pm to Cornelius
quote:OPS & OPS+ takes walks and strikeouts into consideration
Strikeout numbers are staggering. Bonds only had one season with 100+ strikeouts (102 in 1986, his rookie year). Meanwhile, Trout has had 5 seasons with 130+ Ks. Huge disparity in strikeouts to walks, even early in their careers.
Posted on 1/21/17 at 2:23 pm to tigerforever7
At peak, Barry Bonds, but is certainly possible that Trout could keep improving. LINK
I am not convinced that Trout will surpass his single-season WARs from 2012 and 2013. His base running and defense are not at the same level and they will likely only trend downward each season. He would have to become a significantly better hitter to make up for that lost value to increase to a 12 WAR player or so.
I am not convinced that Trout will surpass his single-season WARs from 2012 and 2013. His base running and defense are not at the same level and they will likely only trend downward each season. He would have to become a significantly better hitter to make up for that lost value to increase to a 12 WAR player or so.
Posted on 1/21/17 at 2:24 pm to lsupride87
OPS considers strikeouts as an out, but it does not differentiate from other types of outs.
Posted on 1/21/17 at 2:26 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
quote:Correct. Was more referencing that it gives credit to bonds for his walks, as OBP is its main component
OPS considers strikeouts as an out, but it does not differentiate from other types of outs.
Posted on 1/21/17 at 2:34 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
why is this a huge difference?
The DH... Plus Bonds pre-roid was playing In the early 90's.. A total different era... Trout Is great no doubt... But there is NO telling what kind of numbers Bonds could have put up in the AL had he played there his whole career...
Posted on 1/21/17 at 2:35 pm to dukke v
quote:
The DH... Plus Bonds pre-roid was playing In the early 90's.. A total different era... Trout Is great no doubt... But there is NO telling what kind of numbers Bonds could have put up in the AL had he played there his whole career...
what the frick does the DH have to do with Trout's numbers?
Posted on 1/21/17 at 2:36 pm to Lester Earl
quote:Senial peej thinks they are pitchers.....
what the frick does the DH have to do with Trout's numbers?
Posted on 1/21/17 at 2:37 pm to dukke v
quote:Yeh, an era where offensive was inflated.......
Plus Bonds pre-roid was playing In the early 90's.. A total different era...
I am seriously starting to think you believe Trout and Bonds are pitchers
Posted on 1/21/17 at 2:46 pm to lsupride87
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OPS & OPS+ takes walks and strikeouts into consideration
Yeah, they do. But the raw numbers tell me more clearly that Trout strikes out a lot more than Bonds ever did.
Posted on 1/21/17 at 4:17 pm to Cornelius
I'd really like to see what is going to happen to Trout whenever he gets the really big money. Is he going to be as good when he gets the 300m+ contract and has all that pressure, plus all the other distractions. It's just a whole different world now. If people would have asked me 5 years ago, I would have swore that Tim Lincecum would be the greatest pitcher of all time. Projecting guy's careers just never works out how we think it will..
Posted on 1/21/17 at 6:01 pm to brmark70816
pitchers are even tougher to project.
most people if you can hit, you can keep hitting.
pitchers seemingly pop up outta nowhere and studs disappear suddenly.
most people if you can hit, you can keep hitting.
pitchers seemingly pop up outta nowhere and studs disappear suddenly.
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