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re: If you don't appreciate Lebron James, you hate sports
Posted on 5/28/16 at 10:58 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 5/28/16 at 10:58 am to SlowFlowPro
To put an end to the "The East was stronger with MJ" argument:
The average team record of Eastern teams faced by MJ in all his playoff finals were: 50-32
The average record of the Easter teams faced by Lebron in all his playoff finals were: 49-33
The average team record of Eastern teams faced by MJ in all his playoff finals were: 50-32
The average record of the Easter teams faced by Lebron in all his playoff finals were: 49-33
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Posted on 5/28/16 at 11:00 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
were you mad at the bulls for their 2nd run when they got free agents? rodman, harper, etc
how much do you take away from jordan for that?
Apples and oranges. Jordan already had Horace Grant at PF & won 3 rings.
They lose him to Orlando as FA, so they sign Rodman to replace that hole.
Ron Harper at that stage of his career =/= peak-Wade....not by a mile.
By that time, Harper was a good role player. If he went out got Penny Hardaway or some young dominant rival around that time , that would be more along the lines of why people didn't like the super-friends team. It weakens the overall product.
Posted on 5/28/16 at 11:03 am to SlowFlowPro
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it's rational to hate LBJ because...he has fans?
LBJ fanboys are not just any fans as we've come to find out..
I've never seen "fans" of one player get so pissy and passive aggressive when someone tries to knock Lebron. It suits well because that is a major reason why people can't stand Bron Bron in the first place.
Posted on 5/28/16 at 11:04 am to AjaxFury
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Jordan already had Horace Grant at PF & won 3 rings.
that's great, but who are the chefs?
i specifically brought up his 2nd run. you think MJ keeps his iconic status with 3 rings and more losses in the finals?
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It weakens the overall product.
making better elite teams weakens the product?
so having more mediocre teams and fewer elite teams is better? no wonder you love the Jordan era
Posted on 5/28/16 at 11:04 am to c on z
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To the point where Curry now gets hate from the MJ crowd.
I honestly have never met any MJ fans that hate on Curry. Curry is not even close to being a threat to MJ, like LBJ is.
Posted on 5/28/16 at 11:05 am to OKtiger
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LBJ fanboys are not just any fans as we've come to find out..
they are just that
quote:
I've never seen "fans" of one player get so pissy and passive aggressive when someone tries to knock Lebron.
i've never seen non-fans get so pissy and irrational towards the best NBA player of his generation
quote:
It suits well because that is a major reason why people can't stand Bron Bron in the first place.
again, you're saying that he has fans who defend him, so that's why it's OK to hate him as a player
that makes no logical or rational sense whatsoever
Posted on 5/28/16 at 11:06 am to OKtiger
quote:Coming from one of the biggest Brady fanboys on this site, this is damn funny.
LBJ fanboys are not just any fans as we've come to find out..
I've never seen "fans" of one player get so pissy and passive aggressive
Posted on 5/28/16 at 11:06 am to lsupride87
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To put an end to the "The East was stronger with MJ" argument:
The average team record of Eastern teams faced by MJ in all his playoff finals were: 50-32
The average record of the Easter teams faced by Lebron in all his playoff finals were: 49-3
so your argument here is THE TOP 2 teams in each conference have similar records. Never mind the fact they play the superior West teams only 2x per year, where some years 50 WIN TEAMS don't make the playoffs....where as in the East , it's not a shocker to see a 38-44 team make the 6 seed.
Solid rebuttal & sample size
This post was edited on 5/28/16 at 11:07 am
Posted on 5/28/16 at 11:07 am to Tigerfan56
I disliked Jordan far more than Lebron. Jordan just had something about him that seemed unbeatable. I hated that guy. I just don't get that same feeling w/ Lebron.
Posted on 5/28/16 at 11:08 am to lsupride87
He is overall a good dude. No legal problems that we know of -- and no proven cheating on the old lady (I know there is speculation).
The chosen one and King James stuff can make you roll your eyes, but the guy has probably been worshipped since 10 years of age, so he is going to be warped a bit. I think his doucehbag handlers like Klutch Sports and Maverick Carter are what make him look like an idiot at times.
And then there is the fanboy aspect. Every good game = GOAT talk (I know it's the same the other way, too). He's probably the second best player ever. That's not too bad.
The chosen one and King James stuff can make you roll your eyes, but the guy has probably been worshipped since 10 years of age, so he is going to be warped a bit. I think his doucehbag handlers like Klutch Sports and Maverick Carter are what make him look like an idiot at times.
And then there is the fanboy aspect. Every good game = GOAT talk (I know it's the same the other way, too). He's probably the second best player ever. That's not too bad.
This post was edited on 5/28/16 at 11:12 am
Posted on 5/28/16 at 11:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
I thought you were over the LBJ/MJ argument?
Posted on 5/28/16 at 11:09 am to Smoke7024
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Jordan just had something about him that seemed unbeatable
this brings up another point about "Michael Jordan"
he had the great fortune to be on a team that won every finals they made
if jordan was "unbeatable" then why did he only get to 6 finals? obviously he was "beatable" more often than not in his career (unless you're now arguing that phantom time exists and he played fewer than 12 pro seasons)
Posted on 5/28/16 at 11:09 am to RLDSC FAN
you replied to a post where i'm talking solely about LBJ
Posted on 5/28/16 at 11:11 am to Bunk Moreland
quote:
And then there is the fanboy aspect. Every good game = GOAT talk (I know it's the same the other way, too).
This is just a product of the message board era. You see it in everything, it's really bad when discussing films.
Posted on 5/28/16 at 11:12 am to SlowFlowPro
I'm not arguing anything. I don't care about this dumbass argument. I just gave my thoughts. Jordan lost early in his career then got over the hump. I'd compare it to Tiger Woods in his prime. The guy seemed unbeatable. I don't get that feeling w/ Lebron. That's all I'm saying.
Posted on 5/28/16 at 11:12 am to AjaxFury
No you dumbfrick, not the top two teams
All the teams they faced in the eastern conference
So all 18 teams faced by MJ
And all 18 teams faced by Lebron
MJs eastern conference opponents avg out to 50-32
Brons is 49-33
All the teams they faced in the eastern conference
So all 18 teams faced by MJ
And all 18 teams faced by Lebron
MJs eastern conference opponents avg out to 50-32
Brons is 49-33
This post was edited on 5/28/16 at 11:14 am
Posted on 5/28/16 at 11:14 am to RLDSC FAN
The message board fanboy fights over Federer and Nadal the last ten years have been amazing. The funny thing is, as those guys are fading and Djokovic is now threatening their records, both camps are sort of coming together in a unified front about how the sport stinks now with this robot running things.
Posted on 5/28/16 at 11:15 am to Tigerfan56
Lebron haters are probably the dumbest group of people on the planet. It's just best to ignore idiots like that.
Posted on 5/28/16 at 11:16 am to Bunk Moreland
what sucks is i don't know if there is another joker in the wings so he may run roughshod on tennis longer than fed/nadal could in their older age. i mean imagine if joker wasn't around and fed got a few more years of facing inferior competition in his twilight. he gets at least 2-3 more GS
Posted on 5/28/16 at 11:19 am to SlowFlowPro
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making better elite teams weakens the product?
Yes.
Now you are getting it.
If the East already sucks, no one wants to watch the first few rounds of the playoffs vs some team that would be lottery bound in the West.
People watch the regular season too, and part of the appeal of a championship is you survived the gauntlet of your conference (as in 8-9 fifty win teams in the west).
That's why the first round of the playoffs was more exciting in the west- you had 8 seeds (or 9th place that djdbt even make playoffs) that would of been 3-4 seeds in the East.
So of course that's a much bigger accomplishment over that blase east conf where you look at the landscape and might as well just hand James the conf championship because the competition sucks.
There's a reason he's 2-4 in the Finals- he likely wouldn't of made TWO-straight Finals had he played in the West, and most people in bball would agree. MJ had to go thru bad boy piston teams, rough and tumble Knicks teams with Ewing, Reggie Miller's Pacers, Cavs with Mark Price/Daugherty/Nance, Shaq/Penny, LJ/Mourning on hornets, Hardaway/Mourning on Heat. I could go on.
Who exactky is the toughest teams James has faced routinely? The mid 2000's pistons with no stars? Or that one year with Rose healthy? Maybe it was the few years with Big 3 I. Boston? That's about it.
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