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re: If Ken Griffey Jr. doesn't get hurt where does he rank all time?

Posted on 7/15/13 at 4:36 pm to
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
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Posted on 7/15/13 at 4:36 pm to
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TigerintheNO


Are you trying to say Griffey had a better career than Ripken and Brett?
Posted by lsu31always
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Posted on 7/15/13 at 4:38 pm to
If he is not, I am.
Posted by craigbiggio
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Posted on 7/15/13 at 4:38 pm to
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Piazza


lol
Posted by molsusports
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Posted on 7/15/13 at 4:42 pm to
In the discussion for best player of his era. He was better than pre steroids Bonds and was incredible to watch
Posted by ReauxlTide222
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Posted on 7/15/13 at 4:43 pm to
At what point does talent take over when determining the greats? I mean shite, he's got the numbers. Or are stats the only thing to go by to separate the top 1-5?

He played long enough that we saw what we needed to see out of him.
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
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Posted on 7/15/13 at 4:45 pm to
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If he is not, I am.

Well you are wrong.
Posted by goldenbadger08
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Posted on 7/15/13 at 4:46 pm to
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he is one of the greatest ball players ever to play in my opinion. regardless of his stats
Agree with this statement. To watch him play was a treat.
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 7/15/13 at 4:46 pm to
While off topic, I think Ripken is actually UNDERrated by the Streak. He's still the greatest shortstop since Wagner without it, but people always feel the need to reference the Streak first. There's no need, and it gives people an attack point.

Oh, and Griffey would rank exactly where he ranks now: behind Barry Bonds. But I hate giving people any credit for what ifs except for things completely out their control (segregation and wars, basically). You did what you did. What if Steve Dalkowski didn't get hurt and wasn't so dumb? Does he go on to a Hall of Fame career?
Posted by molsusports
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Posted on 7/15/13 at 4:47 pm to
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He played long enough that we saw what we needed to see out of him.



Maybe, but he probably missed the better half of his prime years as a power hitter by getting injured when he did. He might have been the legitimate home run king for both career total and single season
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 7/15/13 at 4:47 pm to
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He was better than pre steroids Bonds and was incredible to watch

No. He wasn't. Well, he was incredible to watch. That part is true. But Bonds was better in the 1990s.
Posted by Walt OReilly
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Posted on 7/15/13 at 4:51 pm to
you are pretty good at what you do
Posted by Robot Santa
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Posted on 7/15/13 at 4:52 pm to
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but he probably missed the better half of his prime years as a power hitter


Nah. He lost his age 31-34 years to injury. He still had 35-40 HR potential, but he wasn't the 50+ guy he was in his late 20s anymore.
Posted by Dire Wolf
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Posted on 7/15/13 at 4:53 pm to
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Oh, and Griffey would rank exactly where he ranks now: behind Barry Bonds. But I hate giving people any credit for what ifs except for things completely out their control (segregation and wars, basically). You did what you did. What if Steve Dalkowski didn't get hurt and wasn't so dumb? Does he go on to a Hall of Fame career?



i agree i really hate these conversations but it gave me an excuse to watch Jr highlights
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While off topic, I think Ripken is actually UNDERrated by the Streak. He's still the greatest shortstop since Wagner without it, but people always feel the need to reference the Streak first. There's no need, and it gives people an attack point.


but you are a O's fan
Posted by molsusports
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Posted on 7/15/13 at 4:55 pm to
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He was better than pre steroids Bonds and was incredible to watch

No. He wasn't. Well, he was incredible to watch. That part is true. But Bonds was better in the 1990s.


Bonds was probably using most of the 90s FWIW. Bonds didn't really take off as a hitter early in his career compared to what his talent might have indicated he could have.

Compare Bonds numbers with Pittsburgh with Griffey's numbers in his first seven years in Seattle
Posted by JabarkusRussell
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Posted on 7/15/13 at 4:55 pm to
He is number 1 in my heart. Griffey and the Mariners' 95 run is what got me into baseball. It's his fault I still support that sorry franchise who hasn't done crap in 12 years.
Posted by molsusports
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Posted on 7/15/13 at 4:56 pm to
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Nah. He lost his age 31-34 years to injury. He still had 35-40 HR potential, but he wasn't the 50+ guy he was in his late 20s anymore.


he wasn't the same after being injured at the age of 31. When you look back at great power hitters like Ruth and Aaron they had the majority of their best years as power hitters after that age
Posted by JabarkusRussell
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Posted on 7/15/13 at 4:59 pm to
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Bonds was probably using most of the 90s


I thought he started in 98 after getting pissed off that a white boy like McGwire stole his thunder.
Posted by molsusports
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Posted on 7/15/13 at 5:03 pm to
That's conventional wisdom but his physique started to change before then. he probably went from chimp to gorilla steroids around 98

My god did I love watching the young barry bonds. He was such a fluid dynamic athlete
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 7/15/13 at 5:06 pm to
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Bonds was probably using most of the 90s FWIW. Bonds didn't really take off as a hitter early in his career compared to what his talent might have indicated he could have.

Compare Bonds numbers with Pittsburgh with Griffey's numbers in his first seven years in Seattle


Griffey was already a beast at 21 years old. Bonds really didn't become a beast until he turned 25 when of course he won his first MVP in 1990. Either way Griffey wasn't better than Bonds
This post was edited on 7/15/13 at 5:10 pm
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 7/15/13 at 5:26 pm to
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If Ken Griffey JR doesnt get hurt where does he rank all time


78th, behind Wayne Boggs
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