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re: I Posted on the OT as well but: Inside the Mind of the High School Sports Parent in 2025
Posted on 8/21/25 at 12:43 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
Posted on 8/21/25 at 12:43 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
You're also questioning the fact that good people get fired if they don't win at a level that their administration/communities expect. 
What "you prefer" is not reality. A coach who may be doing the right thing and transforming kids lives for the better yet goes 4-28 at a school that expects to be competitive in baseball will not be the coach there for very long.
What "you prefer" is not reality. A coach who may be doing the right thing and transforming kids lives for the better yet goes 4-28 at a school that expects to be competitive in baseball will not be the coach there for very long.
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Posted on 8/21/25 at 1:00 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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Winning is great, but it sure aint everything. The culture behind high school sports has gotten out of control.
has it? or have pussies like you who hate competition become parents and suddenly want their pussy arse views injected into everything?
Posted on 8/21/25 at 1:07 pm to Tarpon08
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You're also questioning the fact that good people get fired if they don't win at a level that their administration/communities expect.
No im not questioning if that happens. It definitely does. But who controls that? The school board or the AD who reports to the school board. Most school boards are elected. So people have some control in how that is run. If a good coach is fired when he shouldnt have been, the school board members should answer for that.
But high school sports culture is so intense in some places, they want to win. I think people should just keep their priorities in line, especially in an age of hyper focus and specialization of one sport. Most of these kids arent going pro. So what are we really trying to do?
Posted on 8/21/25 at 1:14 pm to lsu777
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has it? or have pussies like you who hate competition become parents and suddenly want their pussy arse views injected into everything?
You sound unhinged about youth sports. Do your kids and ex wife hate you?
Posted on 8/21/25 at 1:55 pm to dek81572
I traveled for 2 years at UNC. I decided to leave because the coach and I did not see eye to eye. I was not enjoying golf and felt a fresh start elsewhere may be beneficial. There was no transfer portal in the early 90s when I played, so no, I played for the coach before the current one in Athens. The current Tour guys are 20+ years my junior.
I had originally planned to give up college golf, but the UGA coach asked me to walk on. He promised me a chance to earn a scholarship but over time, I felt that to be a false statement.
I had originally planned to give up college golf, but the UGA coach asked me to walk on. He promised me a chance to earn a scholarship but over time, I felt that to be a false statement.
Posted on 8/21/25 at 2:22 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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You sound unhinged about youth sports. Do your kids and ex wife hate you?
thats it
or it might be the fact that you sound like a pussy. saying over and over....who cares about winning
look I agree that I want a good and godly person leading the team. but the coach is paid to win and represent the school and good sports teams help schools. I dont care how often the coach is going to church, if he goes 4-28 three years in a row...he is getting fired because his job is to coach the kids and win games, period.
Coaches are not getting fired at 99% of schools for not winning state, but they do get fired putting a undisciplined, under developed, unorganized product on the field because his job is to do the opposite of that.
Posted on 8/21/25 at 2:48 pm to lsu777
Ohio doesn't have a limit on the number of coaches. I don't know what other states do. I did look up LHSAA and it looks like there is a 5 coach limit for non-faculty and a max of 30 for the school? That seems low. Additionally, it could be changed if there was a will to change the culture of high school sports, not that difficult.
On the topic of winning, how exactly does increase the size of the talent pool especially for underclassmen, detrimental to winning at the varsity level? What does giving more playing time to a much larger number of kids that could become hooked and want to work to be a star? Growth of the athlete as a person and winning at the highest level aren't mutually exclusive at all, in fact I would argue there's a significant correlation.
On the topic of winning, how exactly does increase the size of the talent pool especially for underclassmen, detrimental to winning at the varsity level? What does giving more playing time to a much larger number of kids that could become hooked and want to work to be a star? Growth of the athlete as a person and winning at the highest level aren't mutually exclusive at all, in fact I would argue there's a significant correlation.
This post was edited on 8/21/25 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 8/21/25 at 3:05 pm to KosmoCramer
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Ohio doesn't have a limit on the number of coaches. I don't know what other states do. I did look up LHSAA and it looks like there is a 5 coach limit for non-faculty and a max of 30 for the school? That seems low. Additionally, it could be changed if there was a will to change the culture of high school sports, not that difficult.
yea 30 and that includes both women and mens sports
and its not a culture thing...its an affordability change.
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On the topic of winning, how exactly does increase the size of the talent pool especially for underclassmen, detrimental to winning at the varsity level? What does giving more playing time to a much larger number of kids that could become hooked and want to work to be a star? Growth of the athlete as a person and winning at the highest level aren't mutually exclusive at all, in fact I would argue there's a significant correlation.
it doesnt but because of limited coaching staffs and limited facilities to coach the other teams means you have to take time away from varsity and their field time
or you have to ask the coach to stay until 10 each night. how the hell is that fair?
like i said...you dont understand the limitations because of your situation and what you proposed wouldnt work at any school in LA because of a bunch of reasons mainly funding.
Posted on 8/21/25 at 3:06 pm to lsu777
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you sound like a pussy. saying over and over....who cares about winning
You just quoted me saying, "Winning is great" like 3 posts above this.
Posted on 8/21/25 at 4:16 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
That poster is like a moth to a flame with these threads.
He loves to suggest that nobody else understands the situations we are discussing. If you disagree, you are a pussy that prefers participation trophies.
Oh, and nobody knows a kid’s swing better than the “involved dad”.
He loves to suggest that nobody else understands the situations we are discussing. If you disagree, you are a pussy that prefers participation trophies.
Oh, and nobody knows a kid’s swing better than the “involved dad”.
Posted on 8/21/25 at 4:21 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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High school sports are not that important. You won state? It doesnt matter one bit if you are a POS in life.
I would say this is true.
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I would rather my kid be coached by a good man who teaches them all the benefits of team sports and never sniffs a state title, than an a-hole who doesnt care about the kids but wins every game.
I think there’s a middle ground. Fact is, at least here in Texas, your football/baseball/basketball champions will come from a small group of schools. A school south of San Antonio isn’t going to win a 5A or 6A state title in football or basketball. Your inner city schools aren’t going to start crushing it in baseball. You can also argue that those lower-performing schools need the father-figure type coach more than anybody else.
Winning state is overrated in terms of talking about how great a coach is. You can plug in any number of coaches that could get the job done at an elite school like Austin Westlake, Aledo, or Allen on the gridiron.
Posted on 8/27/25 at 12:10 pm to BatonrougeCajun
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You can’t have multiple varsity teams
Yes, you can. At least in Ohio.
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if you are having 4-6 sub varsity teams you are just creating a massive headache for yourself.
Speaking from someone who has done it, I totally disagree.
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but what makes a truly elite program special is the exclusivity that comes with it.
Posted on 8/27/25 at 12:21 pm to TexasTiger08
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Winning state is overrated in terms of talking about how great a coach is. You can plug in any number of coaches that could get the job done at an elite school like Austin Westlake, Aledo, or Allen on the gridiron.
If so many coaches could do it, the ones that could and did wouldn’t command so much of a premium
Posted on 8/27/25 at 5:05 pm to chalmetteowl
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If so many coaches could do it, the ones that could and did wouldn’t command so much of a premium
I think that’s the nature of the business. When LSU won a natty, Orgeron was given the cash despite some still questioning how good of a coach he was.
I’m mostly speaking about Texas with the comment I made. State titles these days seem to come from the affluent areas, the booming suburbs, and of course places with access to the best training.
For example: you could draw a line from El Paso to San Antonio, and extend it to the coast. It will hit around Port Lavaca. A quick look shows me that about 7 schools have ever won a state title south of that line, and only one of them still competes at a championship level (Refugio, class 2A).
Hell, a few years ago, every state champion outside of 6-man (10 teams) came from the DFW/Interstate 20 corridor. It’s not uncommon for a booming area to build a new school, immediately contend for state and/or win, then fall off because another new school was built. Example: Spring Dekaney…won state in year 4, then didn’t get out of the first round until 9 years later. Alvin Shadow Creek is another…year 1, 15-1 with a loss in the title game. Year 2, 16-0 and a title. They have failed to advance past round 2 since.
Am I supposed to believe that there are zero coaches in the Coastal Bend or Rio Grande Valley that are incapable of winning a title? Or is a lack of resources and athletes?
West Texas used to have some powerful programs (Permian, Midland Lee, Abilene). What changed? Demographics and money.
You can take the coach from Aledo and put him in the Valley. You can take Riley or Todd Dodge and place them at a nice, big school in Laredo. They won’t win big there.
I find that in Texas, many schools make the coach rather than the other way around.
Posted on 8/27/25 at 8:02 pm to TexasTiger08
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It’s not uncommon for a booming area to build a new school, immediately contend for state and/or win, then fall off because another new school was built. Example: Spring Dekaney…won state in year 4, then didn’t get out of the first round until 9 years later. Alvin Shadow Creek is another…year 1, 15-1 with a loss in the title game. Year 2, 16-0 and a title. They have failed to advance past round 2 since.
hmmm so we should like Prairieville's chances
Posted on 8/28/25 at 6:32 am to Keys Open Doors
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The part about playing the same players on JV and Varsity is strange.
It happens a lot more than you think
Lower-rung varsity players play down in order to get playing time/experience. Here in Georgia there is a limit in football for varsity playing down. It's 2 quarters per week in JV so 6 quarters in total.
This post was edited on 8/28/25 at 6:48 am
Posted on 8/28/25 at 6:47 am to TheWalrus
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Freshman should either play varsity or freshman, not squeeze out the middle.
Posted on 8/28/25 at 7:24 am to KosmoCramer
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and a no cut policy.
There’s a 5A baseball coach here who only takes 9 incoming players each year. Has done it for decades. He’s had several D1 players. Nepotism plays a huge role in his program too.
He’s won zilch when it comes to playoffs and post season success, but still has a job after 25+ years. It’s amazing to see how the town just falls in line with what he does. As far as I’m aware, he’s the only one around here who cuts like that. They call him the “dream killer.”
Posted on 8/28/25 at 9:44 am to lsu777
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lsu777
You come off as the typical helicopter parent. Whom I despise.
Posted on 8/28/25 at 9:48 am to SECSolomonGrundy
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Rush Probst
a-hole is a malignant cancer.
Fantastic coach, but not worth it.
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