re: How much harder is it actually for an athlete to get into Notre Dame than...

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There is no f'ing way they are signing talent like this and not bending/breaking their so-called admission standards. If not, you're telling me they are signing "smart" good players and still sucking on the field?

if Brian Kelly wants Player X, the #1 CB in the country, they are going to do everything they can to get him on campus, regardless if he's a functioning retard

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As I mentioned, the issue isn't getting them in, it's, once they get in, can they do the curricumlum? They better be ready to work their arse off in the classroom.

Not hard in relation to the ND student body, i would bet not hard compared to student at the better ranked SEC schools like Florida and UGA, but definitely harder for football players.

You act as if they couldn't do a bullshite humanities major and play the system to maintain their GPA.

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You act as if they couldn't do a bullshite humanities major and play the system to maintain their GPA.

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They can't.

True. Great discussion btw.

I didn't mean to say some football players don't take "easier" majors than others (defined subjectively), but there's not a major that 75% of the team takes, there are no "football" classes, no breaks, etc. Do they have some advantages? Yes. They are allowed to pick classes first, and they have greater access to individual tutors. But they still have to take all the university requirements, are in classes with all regular students, still are expected to do the same work/tests/papers, and all of those things. And when you keep in mind many of these players aren't close to as smart as the average ND student (as this thread has basically said) and they're balancing football, it requires a lot of their time and causes a lot of additional stress. I've had numerous classes with football players and my roommate is a football player, I see the toll it takes.

ETA: I'm not trying to use this as an excuse for why ND can't field a winning team. Stanford is able to do it right now (and I'm sure they're tougher than us), and ND has in the past. Just stating my perspective.

I'll add that it's wrong to label a major as "easy" based simply on the name, particularly if that major is one that requires rigorous interdisciplinary study...

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. Do they have some advantages? Yes. They are allowed to pick classes first, and they have greater access to individual tutors. But they still have to take all the university requirements, are in classes with all regular students, still are expected to do the same work/tests/papers, and all of those things.

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You just described every D1 university yes even LSU. ND may have somewhat tougher overall academics but lets be honest none of those kids are majoring in astrophysics. Sociology aint gonna be astoundingly tough anywhere. Also dont think they arent told which teachers and which sections to schedule. I guarantee they have academic advisors to make sure they are in the easiest spanish section the easiest math section and the list goes on....and there is nothing wrong with that 99% of the other students are doing the same thing they just have a little more trouble knowing which one to get.

IMO the academic argument is BS. They are taking the easiest classes in the BS majors even at ND. The school will make sure the kids stay eligible at the easiest effort because every loss of talent is loss of money from the university. The one thing is that BS major from ND will take them a lot further than a BS major at mississippi state.

Stephen Garcia majored in Beverage Consumption, took him 5 and a half years to graduate.