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How many FBS programs are capable of winning the College Football Playoff?
Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:22 am
Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:22 am
There are currently 130 FBS programs. Under the current model (4-team playoff), how many programs can realistically win the CFP title? I came up with ~32 (give or take a few) programs. About 15-20 are obvious. Most are excluded due to geography and/or G5 status.
What's your number?
What's your number?
This post was edited on 8/16/18 at 10:23 am
Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:26 am to Dr Rosenrosen
Any one in a p5 conference can have one great year
Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:28 am to Dr Rosenrosen
I would say about half of the p5 with the right coaching could make it. Hell just look in the last 20 years teams we dont normally think of as powerhouses that wouldve had a shot. Washington state and Purdue in the late 90s early 00s mizzou Kansas and texas teach in the mid to late 00s Kansas state around the turn of the century, Arkansas around 2010 2011. West Virginia when they had pat white. If teams like this could make it I believe eventually we will see some pretty odd teams make the playoffs. Of course most will end up like Michigan state when they made it and get drove by the powerhouses.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:29 am to Dr Rosenrosen
How does geography influence your choices?
G5 is not a bar. Just less likely. Not none though.
You go 15-0 and beat 2 p5s and there are some 2 loss p5 champs.
Once in a while.
G5 is not a bar. Just less likely. Not none though.
You go 15-0 and beat 2 p5s and there are some 2 loss p5 champs.
Once in a while.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:31 am to CelticDog
Geography hurts programs like Kansas and Mizzou, for example. Not enough blue-chip players available locally to build a championship roster.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:31 am to Dr Rosenrosen
Off the top of my head in any given year & based on recruiting I've got:
Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, Ohio State, Oklahoma, USC, FSU, Stanford, Wisconsin, Washington, Miami, LSU & Auburn. I fully expect the champion most years to come from this group. Now you can occasionally have the flukey Penn State, Virginia Tech, UCF, TCU's of the world but they don't get enough of the top tier talent to tip the scales.
Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, Ohio State, Oklahoma, USC, FSU, Stanford, Wisconsin, Washington, Miami, LSU & Auburn. I fully expect the champion most years to come from this group. Now you can occasionally have the flukey Penn State, Virginia Tech, UCF, TCU's of the world but they don't get enough of the top tier talent to tip the scales.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:34 am to jrtplaya21
quote:Florida and the Texas schools?
Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, Ohio State, Oklahoma, USC, FSU, Stanford, Wisconsin, Washington, Miami, LSU & Auburn. I fully expect the champion most years to come from this group. Now you can occasionally have the flukey Penn State, Virginia Tech, UCF, TCU's of the world but they don't get enough of the top tier talent to tip the scales.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:35 am to castorinho
I don't see Vince Young coming through that door anytime soon. And I have no faith in the Gators for the foreseeable future. But I hope both teams get it together soon.
This post was edited on 8/16/18 at 10:36 am
Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:44 am to Dr Rosenrosen
I would surmise that about 50 or 55 of the P5 schools could actually make the playoff in the right year.
Actually winning the playoff is wholly different matter: probably only 12 - 15 programs have the resources to legitimately compete at that level and have proven that they can get there. It obviously depends on the coaching staff whether or not they can corral those resources, but in no particular order:
Alabama
Auburn
LSU
Florida
Tennessee
Georgia
FSU
Miami
Clemson
Penn State
Ohio State
Michigan
Notre Dame
Texas
Oklahoma
USC
Then you have programs that are either like Nebraska, Michigan State, and Washington (historically significant programs who have proven in the past that they can get it done but might be too limited at this point to reach the top of the mountain) or Virginia Tech, Oregon, Texas A&M, TCU, UCLA, and maybe a few others that seemingly don't have any real limitations to getting there but need to prove it first. That set of programs might have a chance as well depending on the year and their own situation.
Actually winning the playoff is wholly different matter: probably only 12 - 15 programs have the resources to legitimately compete at that level and have proven that they can get there. It obviously depends on the coaching staff whether or not they can corral those resources, but in no particular order:
Alabama
Auburn
LSU
Florida
Tennessee
Georgia
FSU
Miami
Clemson
Penn State
Ohio State
Michigan
Notre Dame
Texas
Oklahoma
USC
Then you have programs that are either like Nebraska, Michigan State, and Washington (historically significant programs who have proven in the past that they can get it done but might be too limited at this point to reach the top of the mountain) or Virginia Tech, Oregon, Texas A&M, TCU, UCLA, and maybe a few others that seemingly don't have any real limitations to getting there but need to prove it first. That set of programs might have a chance as well depending on the year and their own situation.
This post was edited on 8/16/18 at 10:46 am
Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:49 am to AbuTheMonkey
Great answer. It took me 15 minutes to come up with 32 programs that can win the CFP IMO.
I think the list grows to 40-50 programs that have the resources to make the CFP.
I think the list grows to 40-50 programs that have the resources to make the CFP.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 11:02 am to Dr Rosenrosen
Everyone has a shot. Its easy for a P-5 school...be an undefeated conference champion and you're in the playoff. Most of the time, a P-5 champ could afford 1 loss along the way and get in unless all 5 P-5 champs had 1 or fewer losses.
G-5 schools can get in too. But they can't afford 1 loss, need to schedule quality non-conference opponents, and have a little help from at least 2 P-5 conferences beating themselves up and producing 2 loss champs....and as long as Bama doesn't go 11-1 and not play in the SECCG
G-5 schools can get in too. But they can't afford 1 loss, need to schedule quality non-conference opponents, and have a little help from at least 2 P-5 conferences beating themselves up and producing 2 loss champs....and as long as Bama doesn't go 11-1 and not play in the SECCG
Posted on 8/16/18 at 11:20 am to Tiger Prawn
quote:
Its easy for a P-5 school
quote:
be an undefeated conference champion and you're in the playoff.
I guess it sounds easy but historically undefeated conference champions are few and far between and even that list is dominated by the blue bloods.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 11:26 am to Dr Rosenrosen
UCLA
USC
Texas
Texas A&M
TCU
Ohio State
OU
Florida
Florida State
The U
LSU
Alabama
Clemson
Georgia
Stanford
Penn State
USC
Texas
Texas A&M
TCU
Ohio State
OU
Florida
Florida State
The U
LSU
Alabama
Clemson
Georgia
Stanford
Penn State
This post was edited on 8/16/18 at 11:29 am
Posted on 8/16/18 at 11:40 am to WestCoastAg
Auburn - who has played in 2 in the last decade.. more than 90% of your lost doesn’t make the cut? Silly
Posted on 8/16/18 at 11:42 am to WestCoastAg
quote:
UCLA
UCLA has played one New Years bowl in the last 20 years. If they're on your list, others should be added, including Michigan State, a program with an actual CFP appearance.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 11:44 am to Rig
i listed schools that i think could legitimately turn into programs that could compete year in, year out. like what clemson and ohio state and alabama are doing right now
if i wanted to talk about programs that i think could regularly compete but not necessarily go year in, year out for an extended period of time, then i would put auburn on there. auburn, washington, michigan, michigan state, wisconsin, nebraska, oregon, these are all schools i can see in that tier.
if i wanted to talk about programs that i think could regularly compete but not necessarily go year in, year out for an extended period of time, then i would put auburn on there. auburn, washington, michigan, michigan state, wisconsin, nebraska, oregon, these are all schools i can see in that tier.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 11:45 am to hoopsgalore
quote:and they have more inherit long term potential imo than many other programs. that doesnt mean they have reached it, or they will ever reach it. who knows what any of those programs do. but i think the opportunity is there and i think they are capable
UCLA has played one New Years bowl in the last 20 years.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 11:46 am to Dr Rosenrosen
quote:
I came up with ~32
I don't think it's anywhere close to this.
Btw are you talking looking each year individually (like in 2018 only) or just overall as a whole?
I think if talking about overall, there's maybe around 15 in contention each year, that being the top ~3 teams in each P5 conference. And honestly tha'ts probably being generous, considering only 10 different teams have won title title since the turn of the century.
This post was edited on 8/16/18 at 11:48 am
Posted on 8/16/18 at 11:58 am to WG_Dawg
I'm talking in general. How many programs realistically can win the CFP (any year) under the current model?
Posted on 8/16/18 at 12:07 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:Auburn has accomplished more than all of those teams in that tier in the last 25 years plus your beloved Ags and Bruins.
auburn, washington, michigan, michigan state, wisconsin, nebraska, oregon, these are all schools i can see in that tier.
Why look at theoreticals when results paint a clear enough picture?
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