re: How is Brady not the best QB to ever play the game?

Doing a little math on the most basic stats, since Rodgers came into the league (not including Brady's missed 2008 season), Rodgers has certainly been better. Brady actually has thrown for more yards per season, on average (I accounted for Rodgers' injury-shortened season in 2013). This just boils down to the fact that New England has passed the ball more than Green Bay over the years.

Rodgers has a slightly higher completion percentage (65.2% to 64.4%), but Rodgers also throws the ball downfield more, as his yards/attempt is a good bit higher (7.94 to 7.69).

Rodgers also has a better TD/INT ratio.


Of course, Brady had one of the best seasons ever in 2007, and that's not included. Passer rating is a hard stat to measure, especially going back to the beginning of Brady's career, simply because they weren't as high as they are today across the board. Honestly, I'm not smart enough to know whether that's because the game has changed that much, or because the quarterbacks of today are just better than they were 10-15 years ago (probably a little of both).

Anyways, Brady was top 10 in passer rating every year from 2001-2007. No, that doesn't make him some elite, amazing quarterback. I'm more so just pointing this out to remind people that Brady wasn't just some nobody back there when the Pats were in the midst of their first dynasty.

In summary, I have no problem with someone saying Brady is better than Rodgers historically, as of now, or vice versa.

I have said on here many times, though, that no one has ever played the quarterback position better than Aaron Rodgers has during this stretch of years. For me, it's sort of like how I thought LeBron was already the 2nd best basketball player ever all the way back in 2010-2011, despite only having played 8 seasons. However, people will always use longevity as an arguing point, and that's fine.

People with a shite argument have to do stuff like that.

Brady's combined stats during New England's first 3 Super Bowl seasons (01,03,04)

10,155 passing yards
69 touchdowns
Completion percentages of 63.9%, 60.2%, 60.8%
QB Ratings of 86.5, 85.9, 92.6

Peyton Manning:
12,995 passing yards
104 touchdowns
Completion percentages of 62.7%, 67.0%, 67.9%
QB ratings of 84.1, 99.0, 121.1

During those years, Brady was a borderline top 10 QB when you compare his numbers to his peers.

Manning was without question the best quarterback in the league in 2003 and 2004. There really isn't even an argument to be made imo

This wasn't a question of passing stats, bud. It's a well known fact that Peyton has those in spades (due in no small part to his front office always focusing more on supplying the offense than the Patriots have).

The previous graphic you posted made it look like the main reason Brady won titles was because Peyton wasn't there to stop him, however it conveniently left out the early years of the Patriots dynasty when Peyton was most certainly hale, hearty, and in his prime.

You can manipulate the data to say whatever you want it to say. I'm not some Patriots bandwagon fan. I love my Saints and our own HoF QB. But I'm not sucking Peyton's dick, either. He was amazing, but let's not act like he was carrying the Cleveland Browns to titles or anything. His front office was plenty competent, and yet even with the best weapons at his fingertips year in and year out he still crashed out in the postseason to no effect most of the time.

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Manning also had some of the best weapons in the league to throw to while Brady was throwing to the likes of Troy Brown and Deion Branch.

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Manning was better at that time, by far.

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Manning also had some of the best weapons in the league to throw to while Brady was throwing to the likes of Troy Brown and Deion Branch.

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Peyton Manning was still better when he was throwing to Austin Collie, Brandon Stokely, Pierre Garcón, Anthony Gonzalez, Jacob Tamme, Joseph Addai, Donald Brown, Dominick Rhodes, Marcus Pollard and so forth.

Peyton Manning has had Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, Edge James, Demaryius Thomas, Eric Decker, Manny Sanders, Wes Welker and Julius Thomas.

Tom Brady has had Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Rob Gronkowski, Donte Stallworth, Marcellus Bennett, Corey Dillon, Julian Edelman, Aaron Hernandez, Chad Johnson, Michael Floyd, Brandon Lloyd, and a slew of pass catching running backs.

I'm sure I missed a few big names, but the whole "Peyton Manning always had more weapons" is an ignorant excuse. Tom Brady has almost always had the more elite defense in every case, until PM18 went to Denver.

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Yeah, over twice as many turnovers as touchdowns in his SB appearances. We all know what happened the one time he attempted to make a game tying or winning drive.

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the knuckle dragging idiots won't comment on this.

Of course they won't. Manning couldn't deliver when it mattered most. He was 0-4 against Florida in college, got skull-drugged by Nebraska in his final collegiate game. And the two Super Bowls rings he has were won by his defense. He's Brett Favre with one more ring. He's an elite QB who is easily Top 10 all-time. But he more often than not failed to deliver when championships were on the line.