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re: How hard is it to get a good career in sports?
Posted on 1/29/18 at 2:43 pm to wildtigercat93
Posted on 1/29/18 at 2:43 pm to wildtigercat93
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Skip
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sold his idiocy to a lower intelligent audience that buy into it.
Shannon can actually handle Skip pretty well in the Undisputed debate format though, unlike his First Take tenure with Screamin A, it's a Hot Take vs Sane Analysis dynamic. I also notice Screamin A adopting the Hot Take persona in ways to contend with Kellerman and Will Cain's "sane" takes, which I actually find pretty hilarious corresponds well with his ALL CAPS approach.
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Posted on 1/29/18 at 2:51 pm to Cool Brigade
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Do you think I know people working in sports? i cant even get hired at a smoothie king
In that case, find a way to get an application to Ed Orgeron.
You may be LSU's offensive coordinator in 2019.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 2:52 pm to Cool Brigade
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asian genes.
Then try your hand at analytics. Friend of mine works for the Texans in their analytics dept.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 3:16 pm to Cool Brigade
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How did Belechick get to where hes at?
Slightly off topic, but this reminded me of an excerpt from an article on working for Belichick. This is from Brian Daboll's interview:
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Interviewing at the old Foxboro Stadium, Daboll was brought into a makeshift staff room, tables pushed together to seat all of the coaches: Charlie Weis, Dante Scarnecchia, Ivan Fears, Seth Davidson, Dick Rehbein and Brad Seely. Daboll was well prepared. He had spent two years as a grad assistant at Michigan State under Saban, so could speak semi-comfortably about scheme, self-scout, all that. Then Scarnecchia asked him about salary.
What do you think you should make?
Daboll had researched this, too. He had made calls to colleagues, and had dug up salary surveys from the NFL Coaches Association. He believed the average annual salary was around $65,000. He also thought, having worked for Saban, that he was a tad better than average.
"So I say 70," Daboll recalled. "And Brad Seely leans over and says, 'Would you take 15?' I go, 'Yessir.'"
Posted on 1/29/18 at 3:24 pm to CaptSpaulding
Belichecks dad is also widely regarded as the best scout of all time. He was helping him break down film as a knee high.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 4:18 pm to wildtigercat93
I used to want to get into sports. Worked in the AD at an FCS school in college and did an internship with a minor league baseball team. Several people I knew from there went on to work for other minor league teams at different levels.
I have a non-sports career in marketing now and am much happier being able to go to games without having to worry about being at work during them. Plus we get comp tickets to games every once in a while anyway. Working the odd baseball schedule got pretty old after a while. Getting to meet guys like Alex Gordon was neat but I'm sure it loses the "cool" factor if you do it for a living.
I have a non-sports career in marketing now and am much happier being able to go to games without having to worry about being at work during them. Plus we get comp tickets to games every once in a while anyway. Working the odd baseball schedule got pretty old after a while. Getting to meet guys like Alex Gordon was neat but I'm sure it loses the "cool" factor if you do it for a living.
This post was edited on 1/29/18 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 1/29/18 at 11:11 pm to QJenk
I also have degrees in sports management and marketing. I’d say at this point that I regret it. I manage a sports facility and am definitely utilizing both degrees and it’s pretty much in line with what an average person with those degrees would do. I get paid very little and the hours are essentially nights and weekends. I’m interested in making a transition, but not sure where to even start.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 4:43 am to TheWalrus
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If you don’t mind spending your first 5 years covering girls high school volleyball
I could think of worse things to do with my time
Posted on 1/30/18 at 5:33 am to Cool Brigade
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How does coaching and rising up the ranks work? How did Belechick get to where hes at?
His daddy was a coach
Posted on 1/30/18 at 7:43 am to CaptSpaulding
does anyone know about pro soccer in europe? EPL?
Posted on 1/30/18 at 10:48 am to Cool Brigade
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Do you think I know people working in sports? i cant even get hired at a smoothie king
Go intern with a college team for free in your off time. Do whatever odd jobs they want you to do, get to know the people there and ask them to teach you. That's how a lot of these guys get into the business if they don't have family already in.
This stuff isn't hard to figure out and it's the path a lot of determined people would take without having to be told, which is why we all think you're a troll.
This post was edited on 1/30/18 at 11:18 am
Posted on 1/30/18 at 11:20 am to Cool Brigade
Very hard, entry level not so hard, but to get a career that will pay you well and enough to support your family, tough. In college I worked in the athletics department, doing everything you can imagine. Selling tickets, working concessions, setting up athletic fundraisers, anything and everything. I always wanted to coach, so I volunteered at a local high school, and also at the university I worked at. Worked from 8-until practice ended everyday. Coached hs games and also did my work for the university team on Saturdays when they were home. I worked my arse off, no pay, zero, none. Got a GA job at a D2 school, got masters, coached there, got a full time job at a 1-AA school at 25. Coached there for 2 years, staff got fired, that was 10 years ago. Needless to say, to have a successful career in athletics, expect to poor/broke for most of your life, and it still may not work out. The "big time" is very very tough to get to, and everyone thinks they are going there. If you can get there, the rewards are great, the journey is the thing anyway.
This post was edited on 1/30/18 at 11:23 am
Posted on 1/30/18 at 11:33 am to 610man
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Got a GA job at a D2 school, got masters, coached there, got a full time job at a 1-AA school at 25. Coached there for 2 years, staff got fired, that was 10 years ago. Needless to say, to have a successful career in athletics, expect to poor/broke for most of your life, and it still may not work out. The "big time" is very very tough to get to, and everyone thinks they are going there. If you can get there, the rewards are great, the journey is the thing anyway.
Seems like luck is a big part of it too. I remember reading Sean Payton's book and his early career sounds a lot like what you described. He was broke as hell as well.
You never tried to catch on with another school?
Posted on 1/30/18 at 11:38 am to Goldrush25
Yes, would have loved to, its very hard to get back to that level. Have to know people, and those people have to be in position to hire you. Best way to describe it is this "once you're out, it's like you were never in, and once you're back in, it's like you were never out."
And yes, luck is a huge, huge part of it.
And yes, luck is a huge, huge part of it.
This post was edited on 1/30/18 at 11:39 am
Posted on 1/30/18 at 11:58 am to Bonkers119
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the Pelicans/Saints as a Senior Account Executive. Pretty much deals with season tickets holders and sales. Gotta start somewhere, but if he sticks it out long enough I'm sure he'll get other opportunities.
eta: I'm sure if you went to the Pel/Saints career website you could find an entry level job opening in Ticket Sales or Advertising.
He's essentially a telemarketer and calls his "clients" all day to hassle them for money and renewals. I started right out of college working in professional sports, its not what most think.
Unless you were a high level college athlete and have coaching or scouting background, you are never going to get into the actual "sports" side of the business....you will become an account manager then possibly a marketing/senior account guy who handles large corporate sponsorships.
If you work for a baseball or basketball team also be Ready to have no life because your going to be at every home game kissing your clients asses.
Yes, you become used to it, but having a family or a normal schedule half of every year is impossible....you also won't make shite for years. Even in major metro areas, entry level account guys start out making like 25K/year plus commission. You might make 35K if your good.
Unless your uncle is the president of an NBA team, You will have to start out working in minor league baseball or something small as an intern then transition into a full time position, then try to get picked up by a bigger organization... It sucks, but I can also see how it gets in your blood.
You forget what days off are around everything in your life revolves around home games.
The Turnover rate at where I worked was enormous and there wasn't anybody in the office over about 45...They all got out as they got older. Some became school teachers and some became salesmen for other companies making twice as much with half the hours..... But oh... You don't get to work in a baseball stadium!
That's the tag line they hook you with and you soon find out its nothing like you imagined.
Yes, you get to meet some players, most barely speak to you, yes you get free tickets to games or know someone with connections, but you so little off time it's not worth it.
Some people live it, but most move on. If you are a writer or media guy though, you can kind of do your own thing, but you have to be very talented and know how to work on deadlines and pressure, and no one will hire you without experience.
My advise, get a summer intenrnship at a minor league team or smaller pro team if you're in college to get a look behind the curtain, if you can write, get a job at the school paper and get some work under your belt. That busiNess is all about connections and experinece
This post was edited on 1/30/18 at 11:59 am
Posted on 1/30/18 at 12:00 pm to Jack Ruby
Great response, so much truth
Posted on 1/30/18 at 5:06 pm to Cool Brigade
I got my MS in this field. Just like others have said... You will work very low jobs and most will want you to work for free or next to nothing. So, you’ll need a great support system to fund you. This will help you grind it out, but you still need to have connections to even get your app slightly pushed through the process. I made double to triple working an entry level job with a beer distributor compared to what the Astros offered me for inside sales.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 10:04 pm to lsufball19
That’s a very interesting read. I sometimes wish I had a job somewhere in sports. But this thread makes me realize it’s not as great as it seems to be. This is one of the better threads I’ve read on here in a long time. A lot of good perspective in this thread.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 10:09 pm to QJenk
How did the 2 female assistant and intern get NFL jobs?
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