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re: How does the NCAA whitewash the tOSU/Tressel situation?
Posted on 3/23/11 at 2:33 am to LOYALBAMA
Posted on 3/23/11 at 2:33 am to LOYALBAMA
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It was a HUGE competitive advantage for Tressel and tOSU to not have these players suspended for 4 games like Green at UGA for his game Jersey.
Another competitive advantage for Tressel to Lie a 2nd time so the players could help him finally win a BCS game against the SEC.
Tressel should be fired by tOSU if they want to look like anything but cheaters. Tressel caught his players cheating/breaking amateur status rules. He lied and orchestrated a cover up to gain a competitive advantage over his opponents.
That's about as bad as I've seen, ever.
I mean its bad YES. But not as outlandish as it appears...There are many other factors that Tressel is concerned about, he had a player get killed while he was at YSU and it still haunts him to this day that there wasnt something he could have done. There was miscommunication between the emailer being a federal lawyer and keeping the knowledge confidential. HE should have absolutely told someone, anyone...the AP, OSU Law, ect anything but this isnt a case of just plain black-and-whie the coach knew and did nothing so his players could play and not get punished.
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Posted on 3/23/11 at 5:36 am to theebuckeyenut
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There are many other factors that Tressel is concerned about, he had a player get killed while he was at YSU and it still haunts him to this day that there wasnt something he could have done. There was miscommunication between the emailer being a federal lawyer and keeping the knowledge confidential. HE should have absolutely told someone, anyone...the AP, OSU Law, ect anything but this isnt a case of just plain black-and-whie the coach knew and did nothing so his players could play and not get punished.
Posted on 3/23/11 at 8:22 am to theebuckeyenut
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There was miscommunication between the emailer being a federal lawyer and keeping the knowledge confidential.
No there wasnt. On April 2nd he knew and did nothing. No mentione of confidentiality came until the April 16 email. I know it is convenient for Tressel apologists to pretend 2 weeks is 2 seconds, but that is not the case. And by June 1, Tressel was proactively emailing this guy fishing for more (ie the 2009 Big ten rings).
Posted on 3/23/11 at 8:24 am to SouGent
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but this isnt a case of just plain black-and-whie the coach knew and did nothing so his players could play and not get punished.
That is exactly what it is. He knew in April; he inquired through atleast June getting specific names; he further lied about it in December and came forth only when the press was going to break the story.
Any layers of grey are a figment of his and your imagination.
Posted on 3/23/11 at 8:49 am to igoringa
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There was miscommunication between the emailer being a federal lawyer and keeping the knowledge confidential.
So much incorrect information. The e-mailer was not a federal lawyer. He is a general practice lawyer.
igoringa is correct. Put me down as a Buckeye that won't be bothered if Tressel loses his job over this.
Posted on 3/23/11 at 8:58 am to VABuckeye
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igoringa is correct. Put me down as a Buckeye that won't be bothered if Tressel loses his job over this.
After seeing the Bruce Pearl situation play out, I have a hard time imagining it any other way, to be honest.
This post was edited on 3/23/11 at 8:59 am
Posted on 3/23/11 at 9:00 am to VABuckeye
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Put me down as a Buckeye that won't be bothered if Tressel loses his job over this.
Wouldn't be bothered or surprised...but I would still rather have him as my coach.
Posted on 3/23/11 at 9:05 am to ohiovol
I just don't see how no one is looking more into whether or not he really did forward the emails, at least to Gene Smith. If you watched his press conference, the media asked him if he forwarded them. He got out a very clear "yes" before Gene Smith cut him off. Tressel isn't one to talk without meaning what he says.
I really do believe Gene Smith was forwarded the emails and told Tressel to sit tight. Now that all of this is happening Gene Smith is asking Tressel to fall on the sword with a promise to be AD one day. OSU can hire anyone to be AD...troubled NCAA record or not. Gene Smith would not even be considered for head of NCAA (his guaranteed future goal)if he had something like lack of institutional control on his record.
I really do believe Gene Smith was forwarded the emails and told Tressel to sit tight. Now that all of this is happening Gene Smith is asking Tressel to fall on the sword with a promise to be AD one day. OSU can hire anyone to be AD...troubled NCAA record or not. Gene Smith would not even be considered for head of NCAA (his guaranteed future goal)if he had something like lack of institutional control on his record.
This post was edited on 3/23/11 at 9:07 am
Posted on 3/23/11 at 9:05 am to theebuckeyenut
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I mean its bad YES. But not as outlandish as it appears.
A coach running a one-man cover-up of major violations so he can play ineligible players is as outlandish as it gets.
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There was miscommunication between the emailer being a federal lawyer and keeping the knowledge confidential.
We've read the emails. Don't post idiocy like this.
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he had a player get killed while he was at YSU and it still haunts him to this day
There is no coach in all of college sports who goes out of his way to know less about what his players are up to than Tressel.
Posted on 3/23/11 at 9:07 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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There is no coach in all of college sports who goes out of his way to know less about what his players are up to than Tressel.
Oh really?
Posted on 3/23/11 at 9:09 am to taylork37
There are definitely a lot of generalizations being thrown around from both sides in this thread.
Posted on 3/23/11 at 9:18 am to taylork37
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I just don't see how no one is looking more into whether or not he really did forward the emails, at least to Gene Smith. If you watched his press conference, the media asked him if he forwarded them. He got out a very clear "yes" before Gene Smith cut him off. Tressel isn't one to talk without meaning what he says.
I really do believe Gene Smith was forwarded the emails and told Tressel to sit tight. Now that all of this is happening Gene Smith is asking Tressel to fall on the sword with a promise to be AD one day. OSU can hire anyone to be AD...troubled NCAA record or not. Gene Smith would not even be considered for head of NCAA (his guaranteed future goal)if he had something like lack of institutional control on his record.
I just can't buy that. Smith may be his boss, but Tressel is the far more popular guy. Smith would be a dumbass to play that this way from the start.
I've heard (but can't confirm) that Smith actually wants Tressel fired for this (and not to save himself, either).
Posted on 3/23/11 at 9:24 am to taylork37
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Wouldn't be bothered or surprised...but I would still rather have him as my coach.
Posted on 3/23/11 at 9:25 am to ohiovol
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Smith may be his boss, but Tressel is the far more popular guy.
Thats why Tressel could handle this all better. HE has the support from fans...Gene Smith doesn't. He can still be AD, no one will care. Smith on the other hand seems to have a lot more to lose.
And I do not personally believe that Smith wants Tressel fired.
Posted on 3/23/11 at 9:27 am to taylork37
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Thats why Tressel could handle this all better. HE has the support from fans...Gene Smith doesn't. He can still be AD, no one will care. Smith on the other hand seems to have a lot more to lose.
Which is why I don't think Smith would want to drag it out like that and then just now throw Tressel under the bus.
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And I do not personally believe that Smith wants Tressel fired.
You may be right. However, if he wants to be NCAA president, firing your school's second best coach all time would probably look nice on your resume.
This post was edited on 3/23/11 at 9:34 am
Posted on 3/23/11 at 9:30 am to ohiovol
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Which is why I don't think Smith would want to drag it out like that and then just now throw Tressel under the bus.
Maybe they thought they could get away with it.
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However, if he wants to be NCAA president, firing your schools second best coach all time would probably look nice on your resume.
True. If you saw the press conference and you have seen Tressel talk, it was weird how he adamantly said yes right before Gene stopped him. No hesitation whatsoever.
Posted on 3/23/11 at 9:35 am to taylork37
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True. If you saw the press conference and you have seen Tressel talk, it was weird how he adamantly said yes right before Gene stopped him. No hesitation whatsoever.
What did he say yes to? Not sure what you were referring to.
Posted on 3/23/11 at 9:37 am to ohiovol
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I've heard (but can't confirm) that Smith actually wants Tressel fired for this (and not to save himself, either).
Who does the hiring and firing of coaches?
Posted on 3/23/11 at 9:39 am to Seashell Things
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Who does the hiring and firing of coaches?
The athletic director, but with the blessing of the President/boosters/etc.
Posted on 3/23/11 at 9:59 am to ohiovol
When most of the questions were asked Tressel paused for about 2-3 seconds to think about how he wanted answer the question.
For one question a reporter asked him if he forwarded the emails to anyone else after receiving them. He immediately said yes. At that point Smith interrupted and said that they couldn't answer that question because the Federal/NCAA investigation was still going on.
Tressel had already said yes though.
For one question a reporter asked him if he forwarded the emails to anyone else after receiving them. He immediately said yes. At that point Smith interrupted and said that they couldn't answer that question because the Federal/NCAA investigation was still going on.
Tressel had already said yes though.
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