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Has the transfer portal closed the talent gap between P5 and G5?
Posted on 9/12/22 at 11:17 am
Posted on 9/12/22 at 11:17 am
Marshall coach: No fear to face traditional elites
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"When we hit the transfer portal this offseason, we were getting some guys that played considerable snaps in places," Huff said. "We weren't just getting a guy that went to some SEC school and never played. We were getting and recruiting guys that were either rotational guys or starters and had lost their jobs or whatever it was.
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"We put the roster together, and you're like, 'Guys, we've got a Power 5 roster if we just count the starters.'"
This post was edited on 9/12/22 at 11:19 am
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Posted on 9/12/22 at 11:18 am to foosball
between the best G5s and the lower end P5s? Sure I can see it for sure.
It's also only strengthened the P5 elites. Jameson williams, jahmyr gibbs, etc. can now just transfer to bama every year and replace outgoing studs rather than having to rely on developmkent from younger guys you've recruited.
It's also only strengthened the P5 elites. Jameson williams, jahmyr gibbs, etc. can now just transfer to bama every year and replace outgoing studs rather than having to rely on developmkent from younger guys you've recruited.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 11:22 am to WG_Dawg
Yes exactly what I think. The lower tier P5 and higher tier G5 lose their best guys to the top P5 but also rake in talent from guys looking for playing time from elite programs and can get guys from other FBS or FCS schools.
I think the biggest influence of the transfer portal is it doesn’t take nearly as much time to build up a program. A top coach should be competing by his second year.
I think the biggest influence of the transfer portal is it doesn’t take nearly as much time to build up a program. A top coach should be competing by his second year.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 11:51 am to foosball
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Has the transfer portal closed the talent gap between P5 and G5?
I think it widened the gap between the P5 haves and have nots but closed the gap between P5 have nots and G5s
Posted on 9/12/22 at 11:55 am to lsufball19
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I think it widened the gap between the P5 haves and have nots but closed the gap between P5 have nots and G5s
I think most people would consider A&M and Notre Dame as “haves”
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:00 pm to lsufball19
High School recruits will suffer the most from this.
The mid-upper level P5 schools that used to take chances on 8-10 3* "developmental" guys every year will now just hunt the portal for ready made, experienced and physically more mature players.
Ole Miss took like 17 portal guys last year. Those kids had to come from somehere.
The mid-upper level P5 schools that used to take chances on 8-10 3* "developmental" guys every year will now just hunt the portal for ready made, experienced and physically more mature players.
Ole Miss took like 17 portal guys last year. Those kids had to come from somehere.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:08 pm to foosball
I was thinking about this Saturday. Absolutely it has
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:13 pm to foosball
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I think most people would consider A&M and Notre Dame as “haves”
I think most people would also agree that those teams didn't lose last weekend because their G5 counterparts had close to equal talent either. I don't think NIL and/or the portal had anything to do with those upsets
This post was edited on 9/12/22 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:16 pm to lsufball19
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I think most people would also agree that those teams didn't lose last weekend because their G5 counterparts had close to equal talent either.
Idk man, a lot of these transfers to G5 schools are former 4-star guys with a chip on their shoulder
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:17 pm to lsufball19
its the era of free agency. every season you should be constructing a team in the offseason to make a run. there is no longer the excuse of a rebuilding year.
Why spend a lot of time on high school recruits who still need time to develop and risk them transferring out before they ever do?
Why spend a lot of time on high school recruits who still need time to develop and risk them transferring out before they ever do?
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:19 pm to foosball
We need more than perennial laughingstocks Faggy and Notre Dame losing games to evaluate this effectively
When Ohio State ever loses to a G5 team maybe we can start the conversaton
When Ohio State ever loses to a G5 team maybe we can start the conversaton
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:21 pm to TheWalrus
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I think the biggest influence of the transfer portal is it doesn’t take nearly as much time to build up a program. A top coach should be competing by his second year.
I don't know, the whole issue is that you can get raided in the portal too so it evens out. Unless you're a coach like Lincoln Riley going from a blue blood to another blue blood you're probably going to have some drain. You'll have a bit even if you are a big name just because guys may not want to play for you, scheme fit, etc.
It does mean that the timeline to compete is potentially shortened if it does shake out in the coach's favor, though I don't think that's going to end up being the rule with these situations.
2 Years to show a flash of potential, year 3 to compete but maybe the expectations in year 3 are slightly higher now.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:25 pm to Jack Ruby
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High School recruits will suffer the most from this.
The mid-upper level P5 schools that used to take chances on 8-10 3* "developmental" guys every year will now just hunt the portal for ready made, experienced and physically more mature players.
Yeah but maybe instead of languishing on a P5's bench then transferring after 2-3 years that kid goes to a G5, plays early, and develops faster.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:25 pm to Caraway Rye
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When Ohio State ever loses to a G5 team maybe we can start the conversaton
If you're talking about Bama, Ohio St, and Georgia right now, thats the top "1%" of the league. That isn't a good barometer to use.
We just had 3 major upsets in one weekend, in previous years you might get 1 in a weekend and probably only a few in a full season. Nebraska isn't exactly a juggernaut, but they generally recruit way better than a SunBelt team and have a lot more money. A$M and ND are absolutely loaded and recruit extremely well, the talent gap should be enormous if not for the portal.
Georgia Southern was running the triple option out of the pistol not that long ago and just had a transfer QB throw for 400 yards on a Big 10 team
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:27 pm to foosball
So we love the transfer portal now?
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:28 pm to Jack Ruby
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High School recruits will suffer the most from this.
This is a really good point
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:28 pm to foosball
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Idk man, a lot of these transfers to G5 schools are former 4-star guys with a chip on their shoulder
On the flip side, though, it’s causing some G5s to lose good guys who were initially overlooked by the P5s. See the guys who transferred out from the Cajuns football program to Florida, LSU and TCU.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:30 pm to saintsfan22
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Yeah but maybe instead of languishing on a P5's bench then transferring after 2-3 years that kid goes to a G5, plays early, and develops faster.
Statesboro GA, Boone NC, and Huntington WV are always going to be those towns, and they will likely never have the prestige/appeal of even the lowest tier Power 5 school for football. They will be popular places to transfer to in order to get almost assured playing time, but I don't think you're going to start seeing meaningful high school recruits go there.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:32 pm to TrussvilleTide
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Nebraska isn't exactly a juggernaut, but they generally recruit way better than a SunBelt team and have a lot more money. A$M and ND are absolutely loaded and recruit extremely well, the talent gap should be enormous if not for the portal.
Georgia Southern was running the triple option out of the pistol not that long ago and just had a transfer QB throw for 400 yards on a Big 10 team
Scott Frost lost at Nebraska to Troy in his first year
A Sun Belt team. Without the transfer rules in place or any of this NIL and whatever.
That isnt saying much
This post was edited on 9/12/22 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:33 pm to foosball
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Idk man, a lot of these transfers to G5 schools are former 4-star guys with a chip on their shoulder
Marshall's talent composite on 247 shows they have the 89th most talented roster with 1 5 star, 2 4 stars, 35 3 stars, and the rest being 2 stars or lower. App State is 96th with 1 4 star, 47 3 stars, and the rest 2 stars or lower.
Conversely, A&M is 4th with 10 5 stars, 46 4 stars, 25 3 stars, and no players worse than a 3 star. Notre Dame is 10th with 2 5 stars, 49 4 stars, and 29 3 stars.
The talent disparity between those schools involved in major upsets last weekend is WIDE.
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