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re: Harden Traded to the Rockets
Posted on 10/28/12 at 12:46 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 10/28/12 at 12:46 am to SlowFlowPro
and harden can sign for 5 years 80M, or even 90M+ if they invoke the "rose rule"
so it's more than just the $4M people are saying
so it's more than just the $4M people are saying
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Posted on 10/28/12 at 12:47 am to SlowFlowPro
Boom
Posted on 10/28/12 at 12:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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why would they eliminate $7M in cap room to use to go after free agents?
Picks and young talent. Rebuilding through free agency isn't viable for most small market teams, so you eat a contract to get essentially 3 prospects.
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that was a high pick + cap relief for a good player
Nets give up a top 10 pick and get a player that had no chance resigning with his team anyway? By all accounts Gerald Wallace was a free agent in a few months time and they spend a top 10 pick to get him when they could have just signed him as a free agent. Every single credible nba analyst thought the move was retarded.
Posted on 10/28/12 at 12:51 am to LSUSaintsHornets
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Picks and young talent
OKC can't offer picks worth a shite, and the only "young talent" they can offer is jones...we don't know if he's worth anything right now
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Rebuilding through free agency isn't viable for most small market teams, so you eat a contract to get essentially 3 prospects.
3 prospects worth essentially 0 at the moment AND you kill cap flexibility by $7-9M
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Nets give up a top 10 pick and get a player that had no chance resigning with his team anyway?
they couldn't have acquired him via free agency, so that was how they got him
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By all accounts Gerald Wallace was a free agent in a few months time and they spend a top 10 pick to get him when they could have just signed him as a free agent.
they couldn't sign him as a free agent. that's why
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Every single credible nba analyst thought the move was retarded.
due to gerald wallace's value, not because of the scheme of the trade
Posted on 10/28/12 at 12:54 am to SlowFlowPro
like i've been saying. this is a big "frick you, small markets" via the new CBA. from hollinger:
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The bigger issue about the new CBA, however, is that it hammered the Thunder in a completely different way by not allowing them to offer one more year in an extension -- a fifth year instead of just four -- unless they rolled out the max. That used to be the trump card small-market teams had available, but in an effort to get shorter contracts the owners threw out the baby with the bathwater. Similar rules apply to regular extensions, which means that Kevin Durant, for instance, will almost certainly be an unrestricted free agent in 2015 regardless of how the Thunder woo him.
That's the real way the CBA screwed the Thunder (and secondarily, by giving Durant a $3 million after-the-fact raise via the "Rose rule" that just happens to be the exact amount they were apart on a deal with Harden). It's now much harder to lock down talent long-term, no matter how badly you want to. The league did it to protect owners from themselves, but they took away the small market's best ally in the process.
Posted on 10/28/12 at 12:58 am to SlowFlowPro
Goddamn I love hollinger
Posted on 10/28/12 at 12:59 am to SlowFlowPro
why would owners need to be saved from their selves? if you give out shitty deals then you get what you deserve
Posted on 10/28/12 at 1:01 am to sbr2
many in this thread will be upset with this part
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Did I mention there was another team in this trade? The Rockets are looking good. Reeeeal good. They gave up some choice assets they'd accumulated to make a deal just like this one, and in return they finally have a go-to star on the wings. Harden will have a max extension faster than you can say "beard," and Rockets GM Daryl Morey can finally move forward with the post-Yao strategy he's been working so hard to initiate.
And here's the really scary part: Did you know that Houston still has max cap room next year, even after giving a max deal to Harden? You don't think the Rockets might be an attractive destination with a Harden-Lin backcourt and all those kids (Terrence Jones, Donatas Motiejunas, Royce White, Patrick Patterson, Chandler Parsons)? Yowza.
Posted on 10/28/12 at 1:02 am to SlowFlowPro
Lmao @ Jeremy Lin backcourt attracting anyone.
Is that guy serious?
Do people actually think Lin is worth a frick?
Is that guy serious?
Do people actually think Lin is worth a frick?
Posted on 10/28/12 at 1:02 am to hsfolk
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if you give out shitty deals then you get what you deserve
NBA owners don't agree
the 2 lockouts in a decade were basically done to protect owners from shitty deals they agreed to
Posted on 10/28/12 at 1:03 am to SlowFlowPro
can't the Hornets still give out a max deal next year if they wanted to?
Posted on 10/28/12 at 1:03 am to SlowFlowPro
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Harden was the prize they'd been hunting all summer, and they finally got it.
Morey has been gunning for a max-level player for a while now, I'm not surprised he sent Martins expiring contract packing for the reasons listed above.
Posted on 10/28/12 at 1:04 am to SlowFlowPro
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NBA owners don't agree
Rashard Lewis & Gilbert Arenas
Posted on 10/28/12 at 1:05 am to SlowFlowPro
I feel like you should be working in an NBA front office...seriously.
This post was edited on 10/28/12 at 1:06 am
Posted on 10/28/12 at 1:06 am to hsfolk
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Rashard Lewis & Gilbert Arenas
the amnesty rule was created for these 2 contracts
Posted on 10/28/12 at 1:09 am to GoldenBoy
i'm not that good
like 5 years ago i was much more "into" all of this stuff
like 5 years ago i was much more "into" all of this stuff
Posted on 10/28/12 at 1:09 am to SlowFlowPro
my point is that OKC did well in the draft when they landed Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka, and Harden & now they get punished because of how much the luxury tax would go up on them if all were kept
Posted on 10/28/12 at 1:12 am to hsfolk
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can't the Hornets still give out a max deal next year if they wanted to?
i believe so. they have to renounce everyone except gordon/davis/anderson/rivers
Posted on 10/28/12 at 1:12 am to hsfolk
Well the NBA sucks so what do you expect?
Posted on 10/28/12 at 1:12 am to SlowFlowPro
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OKC can't offer picks worth a shite, and the only "young talent" they can offer is jones...we don't know if he's worth anything right now
They aren't fricking trading for Dwight Howard. They are giving a team compensation to take an overpaid back up center with defensive ability.
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3 prospects worth essentially 0 at the moment AND you kill cap flexibility by $7-9M
7-9 million is average center money at this point. It's hardly killing the flexibility of a team with no chance to compete in the near future either.
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they couldn't have acquired him via free agency, so that was how they got him
Of course the could have. Instead they blew their wad on average players and don't have Drummond or lillard.
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they couldn't sign him as a free agent. that's why
Again, they easily could have. They couldn't have assembled the team they currently have, but it isn't a contending team anyway.
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due to gerald wallace's value, not because of the scheme of the trade
They traded a top 10 pick for a free agent who could have walked and leave them empty handed. His value was a small part of how terrible a trade it was.
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