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re: Harden Traded to the Rockets
Posted on 10/27/12 at 11:46 pm to TigerTatorTots
Posted on 10/27/12 at 11:46 pm to TigerTatorTots
Who the frick is cole Aldridge
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Posted on 10/27/12 at 11:47 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
Posted on 10/27/12 at 11:47 pm to sunnydaze
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Martin will be gone after this yr too.
hey rented him for 1 year. may get a shot at a haircut deal in the offseason for fewer years/less money. lamb may pan out. they may hit on a draft pick. they have more options than 0
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and lamb is nowhere near being ready to contribute
i think he can, but he has a year to sit and develop (like harden did)
Posted on 10/27/12 at 11:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
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harden leaving after this year without anything in return would probably hurt a bit more
How? Besides the fact that they should just give him the max as it is, this wrecks their fricking present and future. At least in the harden leaving scenario you have a great shot this year. fricking laker fans must be laughing. Kevin Martin? Late lottery picks?
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they're already pot committed to perkins, not harden
Salary dumps are easy, putting together 3 stars is not.
Posted on 10/27/12 at 11:48 pm to sunnydaze
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Martin will be gone after this yr too
dont know this yet
Posted on 10/27/12 at 11:49 pm to LSUSaintsHornets
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Salary dumps are easy,
no, they're not. not for players like perkins
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putting together 3 stars is not.
keeping 3 stars is hard
Posted on 10/27/12 at 11:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
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there aren't. OKC is left with that. actually they extended him after acquiring him
That is laughable. Of course there are GMs who would eat Kendrick's salary. It really is a fairly common occurrence.
Posted on 10/27/12 at 11:52 pm to LSUSaintsHornets
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Of course there are GMs who would eat Kendrick's salary.
who? why?
okafor and ariza can contribute stuff. perkins is much more limited
Posted on 10/27/12 at 11:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
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okafor and ariza can contribute stuff
On what fricking planet is Trevor ariza a competent player and Perkins isn't? Ariza might not even start for the wizards he is so bad. Okafor also makes more than Perkins does, and is similarly limited on offense.
And Washington ate BOTH of them.
The GMs in the league can be immeasurably stupid, much more than you seem to think.
Posted on 10/28/12 at 12:01 am to LSUSaintsHornets
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Trevor ariza a competent player and Perkins isn't?
ariza is one of the best perimeter defenders in the NBA and can hit 3s
perkins isn't even that great of a defender. he's severely limited physically and only works when going up against a big post man who can't shoot. perkins was absolutely exposed in teh finals, and the over-reliance on starting/using him is the biggest reason why OKC lost
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Okafor also makes more than Perkins does
for 1 less year
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and is similarly limited on offense.
okafor is a frick ton better on offense than perkins
okafor's PER was around 15 last year
perkins' PER was 8.69 last year
8.6 fricking 9
perk may be solid defensively, but he causes the thunder to score 8.4 fewer points per 100 possessions
Posted on 10/28/12 at 12:10 am to SlowFlowPro
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ariza is one of the best perimeter defenders in the NBA and can hit 3s
Ariza is an average defensive player by any advanced metric and is at best average from deep. He had a great year from deep last year and shot 33%.
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perkins isn't even that great of a defender. he's severely limited physically and only works when going up against a big post man who can't shoot
All apply to Okafor. Okafor is a better player than perk, but makes 5 million more. And all of this is still besides the point. If a team is willing to take on 20+ million in salary for 2 at best average players no one would be willing to pick up Perkins for 7 million? Thats barely over the going rate for back up centers.
This post was edited on 10/28/12 at 12:11 am
Posted on 10/28/12 at 12:16 am to LSUSaintsHornets
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but makes 5 million more.
for 1 less year
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. If a team is willing to take on 20+ million in salary for 2 at best average players no one would be willing to pick up Perkins for 7 million?
who wants a near absolutely useless center for $7-9M through 2014-15?
Posted on 10/28/12 at 12:26 am to SlowFlowPro
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who wants a near absolutely useless center for $7-9M through 2014-15?
You obviously can't trade just Perkins. Package him with perry jones or draft picks. Or maybe there is someone stupid enough to take Perkins by himself. Either way, to act like a 7 mill salary dump is impossible is dumb given the history of the nba. You might have to lose assets but at least you get to keep your budding star and maintain your core.
Posted on 10/28/12 at 12:28 am to Mercy Percy
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So if that's true how are those players going to fit in? What draft picks are we getting?
Watch more hoops bro. This will turn out to be more Presti magic. Harden dissapeared in the finals, he's a defensive liability, and honestly a 6th man can't be getting huge contracts.
Lamb may not be as skilled offensively but he's better defensively. Ibaka was the more important piece there's no question to that. I'd assume OKC got 2 first rd. picks and maybe 2 2nd rd'rs too.
OKC was able to shred bad draft picks in Aldrich and the other guy, Maynor will be back and healthy and Cook actually sucks, and then avoid the salary disputes and issues that would have dissolved the team by having payroll heavy on 3 or 4 guys not leaving enough to build quality depth or sign draft picks. The picks from the Rockets will be lottery picks so the type of new blood coming in should be more talented than the picks 28-32.
At the end of the next 4 years the trade should be very positive for OKC and who gives a crap about the Rockets.
Posted on 10/28/12 at 12:28 am to SlowFlowPro
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who wants a near absolutely useless center for $7-9M through 2014-15?
No team. OKC would have to throw in a young asset and picks to make a team take Perkins. Not sure OKC has a package to make a team eat Perkins' deal for 3 seasons. Though it's possible depending on how some of these bad teams would value Reggie Jackson.
Doesn't really matter though. I don't think OKC wanted to get rid of Perkins in the near future with Dwight on the Lakers. Guarding Bynum/Gasol was the reason they traded for Perkins.
EDIT: Also I'd like to submit this episode as proof the CBA was less about making small market teams competitive and more about making small market teams profitable.
This post was edited on 10/28/12 at 12:31 am
Posted on 10/28/12 at 12:31 am to LSUSaintsHornets
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You obviously can't trade just Perkins. Package him with perry jones or draft picks.
perry jones isn't worth anything right now, and they don't have shite for picks to deal. they can't offer cap relief, either
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Either way, to act like a 7 mill salary dump is impossible is dumb given the history of the nba.
they only have so long to make that salary dump AND then find a replacement center. the melo rule will frick them
Posted on 10/28/12 at 12:33 am to CtotheVrzrbck
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The picks from the Rockets will be lottery picks
wait
what?
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Lamb may not be as skilled offensively but he's better defensively.
he hasn't played 1 NBA game yet
Posted on 10/28/12 at 12:34 am to CtotheVrzrbck
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honestly a 6th man can't be getting huge contracts.
He played starters minutes, and closed every game. Who cares if he came off the bench? He played the 3rd most minutes on the team even. I hate this argument so much.
On a side note, we need a new definition for "6th man."
Posted on 10/28/12 at 12:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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perry jones isn't worth anything right now, and they don't have shite for picks to deal. they can't offer cap relief, either
So you don't think a rebuilding team won't eat 7 mill if they could get back a prospect and 2 firsts, along with a back up center? That wouldn't even be in the stratosphere of absurdity of the Hornets wizards or blazers nets deals
Posted on 10/28/12 at 12:42 am to LSUSaintsHornets
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So you don't think a rebuilding team won't eat 7 mill if they could get back a prospect and 2 firsts, along with a back up center?
why would they eliminate $7M in cap room to use to go after free agents?
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blazers nets deals
that was a high pick + cap relief for a good player
this deal provides neither cap relief nor a good draft pick nor a good player
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