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re: Harden Traded to the Rockets
Posted on 10/27/12 at 11:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 10/27/12 at 11:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
His game requires him to have the ball, he takes a shite load of shots. that's not happening with Westbrook and Durant
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Posted on 10/27/12 at 11:26 pm to ZTiger87
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He was more of a catch and shoot player in Adelman's system.
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He was more of a catch and shoot player in Adelman's system.
you're 100% wrong
statistical analysis of his game
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Martin took 259 shots at the rim in 2010-11. Last season he took 63. Yes, he played half as many minutes, but even after adjusting for the playing time this was a staggering decline. After a season in which he outscored every shooting guard in the league on a per-minute basis, Martin spent much of 2011-12 as a spot-up shooter.
stats don't lie
that FT drop has nothing to do with a rule change and everything to do with a system change
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He was a master of the rip through move and that rule change hurt him a lot.
the majority of his FTs came due to shot attempts at the rim. he lost more than 75% of his FTAs
Posted on 10/27/12 at 11:28 pm to sunnydaze
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His game requires him to have the ball, he takes a shite load of shots. that's not happening with Westbrook and Durant
uh....he'll get to do it plenty on the 2nd unit when they're not on the court
martin only played 32.5 minutes per in 11/12 and harden played 31.4 last year
Posted on 10/27/12 at 11:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
Jeremy Lamb will be a stud.
Posted on 10/27/12 at 11:30 pm to emmanuellewis
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Still don't buy it. They are already paying out a ton of money
i don't understand why people are saying "we" couldn't afford a max deal either, he was allegedly offered close to $55 million, which is $4 million or so less than max. know $4 million sounds like a lot, but i don't see any reason the thunder couldn't have made it work. i honestly don't think he was work a max deal......yet.
Posted on 10/27/12 at 11:31 pm to UltimateHog
maybe. maybe not.
he's got the skill framework and athletic ability. he just has to work hard and be aggressive...2 things he sucks at
he's got the skill framework and athletic ability. he just has to work hard and be aggressive...2 things he sucks at
Posted on 10/27/12 at 11:33 pm to Brendoni
i think every million you're over the new LT, it's 2.5x
and i don't think they can afford a near LT-level of spending long term
Slowflostrodamus
and i don't think they can afford a near LT-level of spending long term
Slowflostrodamus
Posted on 10/27/12 at 11:33 pm to UltimateHog
Meh. He's not aggressive enough
Posted on 10/27/12 at 11:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
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well in an ideal world they wouldn't have to trade harden, but if they didn't, they get nothing in return for him
Don't think that is true. They are the team that can pay him the most so they could have done a sign and trade after the season. At the very least, play out the season and see if you can win the title.
We can agree to disagree about whether OKC could afford him. It doesn't make sense to me that they can't but like I said, it is a lot easier to speculate when its not my money. I can't imagine being a Lakers fan. The offseason could not have gone better unless Lebron quits to play baseball in the next three days.
Posted on 10/27/12 at 11:34 pm to emmanuellewis
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It doesn't make sense to me that they can't
you can thank the Perk deal
Posted on 10/27/12 at 11:36 pm to emmanuellewis
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They are the team that can pay him the most so they could have done a sign and trade after the season.
i am not sure of that. the melo rule would make it difficult
another rule the owners pushed to protect their bad decisions that absolutely frick small market teams
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It doesn't make sense to me that they can't
dude they're in a small market. a payroll over $50-55M is a shite ton for them
with a max harden deal, their payroll is going to approach $75-80M, and that's without taking a luxury tax into consideration. with the LT it ends up closer to $80-100M "real" payroll
This post was edited on 10/27/12 at 11:37 pm
Posted on 10/27/12 at 11:36 pm to emmanuellewis
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Lebron quits to play baseball in the next three days.
this is interesting as well...
Posted on 10/27/12 at 11:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
Terrible trade for OKC. The value of mid first round picks is so overrated. This absolutely hurts their title hopes for 2 reasons
1. Chemistry
2. Martin is at best a slight downgrade if he stops being made of glass and doesn't decline AT ALL.
Lamb, while he is a good prospect, is not ready to compete at the level OKC needs if Martin does get hurt.
Can't believe OKC let harden go for 4 million when they pay Kendrick Perkins all that fricking money.
1. Chemistry
2. Martin is at best a slight downgrade if he stops being made of glass and doesn't decline AT ALL.
Lamb, while he is a good prospect, is not ready to compete at the level OKC needs if Martin does get hurt.
Can't believe OKC let harden go for 4 million when they pay Kendrick Perkins all that fricking money.
Posted on 10/27/12 at 11:40 pm to LSUSaintsHornets
what should they have done?
Posted on 10/27/12 at 11:41 pm to LSUSaintsHornets
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This absolutely hurts their title hopes for 2 reasons
harden leaving after this year without anything in return would probably hurt a bit more
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Can't believe OKC let harden go for 4 million when they pay Kendrick Perkins all that fricking money.
they're already pot committed to perkins, not harden
Posted on 10/27/12 at 11:42 pm to LSUSaintsHornets
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they pay Kendrick Perkins all that fricking money.
no shite, they offer harden close to what tyson chandler makes, and perkins is getting close to $8 million this year, yet we still don't have a good center.
Posted on 10/27/12 at 11:43 pm to MrWiseGuy
Sign him, dump salary with picks if you have to save money. It's not like there aren't retarded GMs in this league who you could get to eat perk's salary. frick the hornets got the wizards to eat okafor AND ariza and got a fricking pick back.
Posted on 10/27/12 at 11:45 pm to LSUSaintsHornets
and have Ibaka and Durant guard Gasol and Howard?
This post was edited on 10/27/12 at 11:45 pm
Posted on 10/27/12 at 11:45 pm to LSUSaintsHornets
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. It's not like there aren't retarded GMs in this league who you could get to eat perk's salary.
there aren't. OKC is left with that. actually they extended him after acquiring him
Posted on 10/27/12 at 11:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
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harden leaving after this year without anything in return would probably hurt a bit more
Martin will be gone after this yr too. Those picks won't be anyone special and lamb is nowhere near being ready to contribute
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