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re: Hahnville QB "hearing" Thursday
Posted on 9/29/18 at 10:11 am to Tarps99
Posted on 9/29/18 at 10:11 am to Tarps99
Maybe I am naïve, but I have a hard time believing that LHSAA's actions are to keep a school out of playoffs. Just like I don't believe that a vindictive coach is the reason all of this happened in the first place.
I am not saying LHSAA is perfect, we all agree as none of us or the organizations that we are a part of are perfect as we are human.
What has been proven as fact is there are MANY violations by the parents of Robison and some by the HHS coach. Deflecting blame on any other entity just is not right.
One TD poster suggested that the students should be trained on the rules... this student's father was a coach and knew the rules, parents know the rules as well! Particularly parents of student athletes, it is reinforced over and over by VCHS. He thought he was above the rules and tried to "cook the books" ..... and it didn't work. It really is that simple, blame on others involved really just is not appropriate. Take responsibility for your actions, there are consequences that may be devastating!
I am not saying LHSAA is perfect, we all agree as none of us or the organizations that we are a part of are perfect as we are human.
What has been proven as fact is there are MANY violations by the parents of Robison and some by the HHS coach. Deflecting blame on any other entity just is not right.
One TD poster suggested that the students should be trained on the rules... this student's father was a coach and knew the rules, parents know the rules as well! Particularly parents of student athletes, it is reinforced over and over by VCHS. He thought he was above the rules and tried to "cook the books" ..... and it didn't work. It really is that simple, blame on others involved really just is not appropriate. Take responsibility for your actions, there are consequences that may be devastating!
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Posted on 9/29/18 at 11:20 am to Antonio Moss
quote:even if the rules are draconian for the children who are student-athletes and lenient for the adult paid professional coaches of them.
The LHSAA and the value of teaching athletes that everyone is subject to rules won.
I love coach Salt, but he shouldn't have been the one coming back last night.
Posted on 9/29/18 at 4:18 pm to Tarps99
quote:
I just have feeling that the LHSAA will drag this out until Hahnville is no longer a threat to make the playoffs (which is almost there with the loss to Terrebonne) and then someone at the LHSAA will change their tune and let the kid play. If I was in Hahnville’s shoes and wanted the moral high ground with nothing to lose (no playoffs and knowing to have to forfeit any game he plays in), I would let the kid play anyway and tell the LHSAA f—- off and we will take the forfeit and any fine you give us. On another side, I believe coaches have to attend training on student eligibility and recruiting dos and don’ts. Do they make the players do the same so that they can avoid situations like this with the undue influence as was described? Maybe the kid would have never asked for the jersey or opened his mouth that he was going to Hahnville until the time was right. My other issue is that if it was known that this kid was moving in May. Why were all the LHSAA forms not filled out until August?
Fat chance on lhsaa letting him play football. Again the jersey is minor.
Posted on 9/29/18 at 5:20 pm to choupiquesushi
quote:from what I've read even if both of these things were correct the kid would still be ineligible...
Maybe the kid would have never asked for the jersey or opened his mouth that he was going to Hahnville until the time was right
quote:the forms on the parents' end or the forms from VCHS? We don't want spiteful schools blocking legal transfers by not getting paperwork on time intentionally.
Why were all the LHSAA forms not filled out until August?
Posted on 9/29/18 at 8:07 pm to chalmetteowl
quote:
the forms on the parents' end or the forms from VCHS? We don't want spiteful schools blocking legal transfers by not getting paperwork on time intentionally.
The parent form is the issue
Posted on 10/1/18 at 8:51 am to chalmetteowl
quote:For what is known at this time - Salt got the right penalty..... The family broke different rules - Only question I have is how did a piece of paper make it out of the school office saying dad was employed as a coach there - that's odd if he was never offered a job.
I love coach Salt, but he shouldn't have been the one coming back last night.
the rules broken by the family carry a one year eligibility hold.
There is a lot of information on this case that is not known. If the bullying by VC was / is true - that should have been the first route through the LHSAA - but it was a hail mary....that's odd......very odd
Posted on 10/1/18 at 9:55 am to Tarps99
quote:
On another side, I believe coaches have to attend training on student eligibility and recruiting dos and don’ts. Do they make the players do the same so that they can avoid situations like this with the undue influence as was described? Maybe the kid would have never asked for the jersey or opened his mouth that he was going to Hahnville until the time was right.
Some of these rules are very arcane, and if not arcane, very detailed with paragraphs, sub-paragraphs and all in legal jargon.
High school kids are not, in my estimation, ready to sit through all of that, in addition to being students with the responsibilities that entails, then athletes with all the practice, workouts, and other work therein. THEN they'd have to sit through classes on LHSAA residency/attendance rules? Too much.
Posted on 10/1/18 at 10:17 am to RedPop4
quote:head coaches and ADs know the rules...so do principals - there should be a resource for parents.... where they can ask someone OTHER than the school they attend..
High school kids are not, in my estimation, ready to sit through all of that, in addition to being students with the responsibilities that entails, then athletes with all the practice, workouts, and other work therein. THEN they'd have to sit through classes on LHSAA residency/attendance rules? Too much.
Hey we wanna take little johnnie out of St. Barak and switch him to Ronald Reagan High..... and here is why... is it legal.. Yes or no..... and why not...
again if the kid was in fact bullied by VC the family had a magic victory bullet - but didn't go hardship - which is beyond odd...
Posted on 10/1/18 at 12:07 pm to DAH
quote:
One TD poster suggested that the students should be trained on the rules... this student's father was a coach and knew the rules, parents know the rules as well!
You THINK they know the rules. I know for a fact that there are many varsity head coaches that do no know the rules of the games they coach, even. I would love to see an honest (yeh, that'll never happen) poll showing when, if ever, was the last time each head coach has actually read the entire rule book for the sport he coaches. I'd also like to see the pct of players who have actually EVER read the rule book.
I bet the numbers who have actually read the eligibility requirements are MUCH lower. I bet if I could stop each parent walking into a HS football game on a Friday night, less than 10% could tell me honestly that they've ever reviewed them.
Posted on 10/1/18 at 12:09 pm to choupiquesushi
quote:wish somebody could post the California and Florida transfer rules in here. Louisiana really needs to use those
the rules broken by the family carry a one year eligibility hold.
Posted on 10/1/18 at 12:43 pm to chalmetteowl
quote:It has come up before but it gets shot down pretty hard - to make changes....
wish somebody could post the California and Florida transfer rules in here. Louisiana really needs to use those
also those states are unlike LA from a school quality standpoint....
M&M transfers are a big exception to transfers and a lot of people want to squelch that.
Posted on 10/1/18 at 12:54 pm to choupiquesushi
Like plain vs. peanut?
Posted on 10/1/18 at 1:24 pm to RedPop4
quote:minority / majority... lets minority kids pretty much transfer freely under some circumstances.
Like plain vs. peanut?
Posted on 10/1/18 at 2:09 pm to choupiquesushi
"The Andrew Robison case has been continued until Oct. 16 as the LHSAA has asked for exceptions. TRO remains in effect until case can be heard."
I guess LHSAA will delay until the season is over.
I guess LHSAA will delay until the season is over.
Posted on 10/1/18 at 2:26 pm to mswiggins
quote:
I guess LHSAA will delay until the season is over.
I think you got this wrong.. I think the family wanted more time..... looks like your source is a "social media" news reporter..... IF the LHSAA remotely thought they would lose they would have settled last week.....
This post was edited on 10/1/18 at 5:15 pm
Posted on 10/1/18 at 2:59 pm to choupiquesushi
quote:that's no reason not to make needed changes...
has come up before but it gets shot down pretty hard - to make changes....
also those states are unlike LA from a school quality standpoint....
Posted on 10/1/18 at 3:05 pm to chalmetteowl
quote:don't hold your breath
Hahnville QB "hearing" Thursday
quote:
has come up before but it gets shot down pretty hard - to make changes....
also those states are unlike LA from a school quality standpoint....
that's no reason not to make needed changes...
Posted on 10/1/18 at 7:48 pm to choupiquesushi
HTV just posted the documents filed by the LHSAA in the case on Friday.
Answer to Lawsuit
LHSAA Opposition to Request for Injuction
Answer to Lawsuit
LHSAA Opposition to Request for Injuction
Posted on 10/2/18 at 9:49 am to Tarps99
That's difficult to read.
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