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re: Greg Maddux appreciation thread
Posted on 8/26/25 at 9:10 pm to BobABooey
Posted on 8/26/25 at 9:10 pm to BobABooey
Fortunate enough to go to a lot of spring training in Kissimmee and sit behind home plate.
I saw Maddux pitch and it was surgical. Noticably slower but unreal how he could hit the corners. And he looked like some dude off the street.
I saw Maddux pitch and it was surgical. Noticably slower but unreal how he could hit the corners. And he looked like some dude off the street.
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 9:13 pm to BobABooey
Maddux is the most masterful pitcher that has ever played the game. He didn’t dominate by over powering hitters. His ability to put a ball within an inch of his intended spot and subtle changes in speed was almost unbelievable to watch.
Posted on 8/27/25 at 7:43 am to ReauxlTide222
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ReauxlTide222
Were you a player? Worked for the stadium? I’m confused by how you were sitting next to him in the dugout?
Posted on 8/27/25 at 7:59 am to i am dan
My favorite Maddux stat is that he faced five 3-0 counts for the entire 1997 season.
Posted on 8/27/25 at 8:03 am to Dirk Dawgler
Maddux showed that location is more important that velocity.
Of course, all teams look for now is velocity.
Of course, all teams look for now is velocity.
Posted on 8/27/25 at 8:09 am to FightinTigersDammit
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Maddux showed that location is more important that velocity.
Of course, all teams look for now is velocity.
yea its so easy to be greg maddux, its why we have had so many like him right?
you also understand the strike zone is a tad stricter now right?
you also understand the BAA goes down with velo and that GM was the exception not the rule to base pitchers off of...right?
also you might be interested to know he was throwing 96 when with the cubs and has said velocity is the only thing that got him his chance coming out of HS.
but im sure in a business worth billions they are just chasing velocity so they can lose more games.
your take and anyone that brings up GM as the reason why velo doesnt matter shows that the poster lacks iq high enough to think critically. Dumbass take
Posted on 8/27/25 at 8:16 am to VADawg
Kinda like the 78 pitch complete game too.
Posted on 8/27/25 at 8:19 am to lsu777
Maddux never threw 96 in his life. Hell, when he was with the Cubs, Danny Jackson threw harder than Maddux.
Posted on 8/27/25 at 8:21 am to lsu777
Wound up pretty tight this morning?
Posted on 8/27/25 at 8:31 am to FightinTigersDammit
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Maddux never threw 96 in his life
might want to tell him that. He specifically said when he first came into the league he could hit 96 when he wanted to but he didnt have control over it and he was much better sitting 91-92 back then and this was on the jugs guns so more like 93-94 in stat cast era. He also specifically said he only got a shot because he could throw mid 90s.
also you might want to understand he was a unicorn a guy that realized he could throw a 2 seam and get 14-16" of run.
he is a fricking unicorn, appreciate it for what it was, but recognize it for what it was. Also recognize the strike zone he got would never happen today and that hitters are much better today and would knock his shite everywhere
Posted on 8/27/25 at 8:34 am to subotic
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Wound up pretty tight this morning?
na...the whole maddux thing is a huge pet peeve of mine. annoys the frick out of me because people do not appreciate how good he was and how much a unicorn he is and are constantly complaining we don't have one in the league now.
its like, dude....there is only one of him. there wasn't one before and there hasn't been one in the 2 decades since...maybe that should be a clue.
Posted on 8/27/25 at 8:37 am to lsu777
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people do not appreciate how good he was and how much a unicorn he is an
Appreciating how good he was is literally…LITERALLY the topic of the thread.
The poster who emphasized the importance of location never said velo didn’t matter.
Posted on 8/27/25 at 8:42 am to Obi-Wan Tiger
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The poster who emphasized the importance of location never said velo didn’t matter.
he said its all they care about now, implying it doesnt matter using GM as the proof.
GM still threw above the league avg fastball. thats what people dont understand. the average fastball was 89 in 1992. he threw harder than that.
thats the point. everyone acts like GM was out there throwing 82 mph fastballs. He wasnt. he was well above average on fastball velo and his movement was tops in the league if they were able to measure ViB.
plus he took advantage of terrible umpiring compared to today. Today he would have to throw those pitches for a strike...not 2 balls outside. and he would get blasted by todays hitters.
Posted on 8/27/25 at 8:52 am to lsu777
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he said its all they care about now
Is he wrong?
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plus he took advantage of terrible umpiring compared to today. Today he would have to throw those pitches for a strike.
Eh…I watch a lot of MLB. Zone is still pretty damned bad which is why they’re going to the challenge system. Yeah Eric Gregg was horrible, but so are Laz Diaz, CB Bucknor and until recently Angel Hernandez.
Sure you need both control and velo, but if you’re wild you have zero chance.
Posted on 8/27/25 at 9:01 am to Obi-Wan Tiger
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Is he wrong?
yea he is. overall fastball has the smallest misrate vs intended zone than it ever has.
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Eh…I watch a lot of MLB. Zone is still pretty damned bad which is why they’re going to the challenge system. Yeah Eric Gregg was horrible, but so are Laz Diaz, CB Bucknor and until recently Angel Hernandez.
so do I, those guys are weeded out quickly now and shown the door. you were lucky if you got 90% strike rate calls in GM era
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Sure you need both control and velo, but if you’re wild you have zero chance
nobody said different. Do you think mlb pitchers are wild? might want to look at average miss distance and look at walks per 9 innings.
just a hint BB/9ip was 3.2 in 1992, its 3.19 now with a tighter zone way way less Fastball utilization(57 to 4% in statcast era,2008) all while avg Fastball has went up ~3mph in the statcast era alone. and now 74% of fastballs are 93mph+
but pitchers today have no control right?
Posted on 8/27/25 at 9:06 am to lsu777
I agree with all of that. Maddox was unique and given the velocity average in the league today, we may not ever see anybody like him again and almost certainly will never see anyone like him accomplish what he did.
All the anecdotes about him are awesome too...just a truly unique human being.
All the anecdotes about him are awesome too...just a truly unique human being.
Posted on 8/27/25 at 9:24 am to lsu777
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but pitchers today have no control right?
Never said that. But it’s infuriating when guys can’t throw a strike when they absolutely have to have it.
I watched the Astros lose on a walk off walk last week on pitches that had no chance. Pitcher was literally better off placing the ball on a tee.
I do disagree that Maddux would get shelled now. I think his location would fare pretty well against today’s more aggressive hitting approach. And before you get upset, I’m not dissing today’s hitters.
Posted on 8/27/25 at 9:39 am to Obi-Wan Tiger
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Never said that. But it’s infuriating when guys can’t throw a strike when they absolutely have to have it.
I watched the Astros lose on a walk off walk last week on pitches that had no chance. Pitcher was literally better off placing the ball on a tee.
watched the same game. the difference between then and now is they wouldnt have called a slider low and away on that back in the 90s. they would have called a fastball right down the middle and played the percentages and forced the hitter to beat them. I do not agree with calling a slider there and think most coaches over think pitch calling considering the low % of balls thrown middle middle that become base hits
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I do disagree that Maddux would get shelled now. I think his location would fare pretty well against today’s more aggressive hitting approach. And before you get upset, I’m not dissing today’s hitters.
I think he would have adapted and his fastball would have been 96-97 and he wouldnt have been going nearly as deep. he would have went through the line up 2x lmax ike most do today.
but if he threw exactly what he threw back then, would get lit up.
smoltz has talked about this. and he is the biggest old school homer ever and still admits it.
look im in my 40s and grew up watching that era of ball but the amount of talk about how great the players were then and how much better they were is laughable.
Posted on 8/27/25 at 10:12 am to lsu777
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Yeah Eric Gregg was horrible, but so are Laz Diaz, CB Bucknor and until recently Angel Hernandez.
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so do I, those guys are weeded out quickly now and shown the door
CB Bucknor has been a MLB umpire for 29 years.
Laz Diaz has been a MLB umpire for 26 years and is a crew chief.
Angel Hernandez was a MLB umpire for 33 years.
Posted on 8/27/25 at 10:18 am to lsu777
You're in your 40's?
I've got T-shirts older than you are.
You might want to understand that.
I've got T-shirts older than you are.
You might want to understand that.
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