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re: Greatest olympian ever
Posted on 8/12/08 at 11:33 pm to Ron Mexico
Posted on 8/12/08 at 11:33 pm to Ron Mexico
The pool and the suits are helping, but I think people fail to realize that he's been destroying these records for years, in pools all over the world. He's held the 200 fly record for over 8 years.
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Posted on 8/12/08 at 11:35 pm to mburne4
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he is crushing them. thats not just pol or a suit
so are the people coming in 2nd and is some cases 3rd and lower, 5 teams beat the old WR in that relay and its not just him, in races he is not in and women's races, 2,3 people are topping the old WR as well. Clearly the suits and the pool are making a difference in the times.
This post was edited on 8/12/08 at 11:36 pm
Posted on 8/12/08 at 11:39 pm to H-Town Tiger
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so are the people coming in 2nd and is some cases 3rd and lower, 5 teams beat the old WR in that relay and its not just him, in races he is not in and women's races, 2,3 people are topping the old WR as well. Clearly the suits and the pool are making a difference in the times.
The US broke the record by like 5 seconds, I just have a hard time believing being a little slicker made that big of a difference.
Swimming has turned into a big business, there has been a lot of innovation in training methods and a lot of that information has now trickled down from the US to the rest of the world. I would imagine that has a lot more to do with the WR's.
Posted on 8/12/08 at 11:39 pm to redwar
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How much of a difference do you really think the suit makes?
have you noticed all the WR broken this week?
you cant tell me that is coincidence
it almost tarnishes them
Posted on 8/12/08 at 11:41 pm to Lester Earl
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have you noticed all the WR broken this week?
you cant tell me that is coincidence
it almost tarnishes them
It's not the suit. he broke the 400 im record by 2-3 seconds, once again, I doubt being a little slicker makes that big of a difference.
Posted on 8/12/08 at 11:41 pm to H-Town Tiger
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so are the people coming in 2nd and is some cases 3rd and lower, 5 teams beat the old WR in that relay and its not just him, in races he is not in and women's races, 2,3 people are topping the old WR as well. Clearly the suits and the pool are making a difference in the times.
and he is still beating them. technology makes a difference in alot of sports. take golf for example.
Posted on 8/12/08 at 11:42 pm to redwar
the pool seems extremely fast as well
like someone said, its not just him breaking old records
people coming in 3rd and 4th are breaking records
and they just broke the WR by 5 seconds!!! 5!! Im sure they worked hard, and Phelps is amazing, but frick, come on.
like someone said, its not just him breaking old records
people coming in 3rd and 4th are breaking records
and they just broke the WR by 5 seconds!!! 5!! Im sure they worked hard, and Phelps is amazing, but frick, come on.
Posted on 8/12/08 at 11:43 pm to mburne4
Check the sig. The one. The only one. And in a sport that doesn't allow for as many golds as swimming.
2nd choice. Edwin Moses. If Phelps OR ANYONE ELSE can last as long as the great man, I'll change my opinion.
2nd choice. Edwin Moses. If Phelps OR ANYONE ELSE can last as long as the great man, I'll change my opinion.
Posted on 8/12/08 at 11:43 pm to redwar
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The US broke the record by like 5 seconds, I just have a hard time believing being a little slicker made that big of a difference.
and the frogs were .08 seconds behind. its not just the suits its also the pool.
Posted on 8/12/08 at 11:47 pm to Lester Earl
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people coming in 3rd and 4th are breaking records
that happened on that one relay look at the other individual events, you may get a second swimmer that breaks it. Do the suits and pool make a difference, absolutely. But I don't think it's anywhere near what everyone is making it out to be.
Posted on 8/12/08 at 11:48 pm to redwar
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If they ran a 125m and 150m race in addition to the 100m, don't you think the same guy would have a shot at all 3?
Well, Phelps is beating different people in different races for the most part. He seems to be the only swimmer that can compete (and obviously dominate) at the highest level in all distances and all types of strokes.
Posted on 8/12/08 at 11:49 pm to redwar
so what do you attribute it to?
I mean how ofter are the World Championships and other meets where they can break records?
Why now all of a sudden are these records going down?
and Im not just talking about Phelps.
It's hard to take seriously, really.
I mean how ofter are the World Championships and other meets where they can break records?
Why now all of a sudden are these records going down?
and Im not just talking about Phelps.
It's hard to take seriously, really.
Posted on 8/12/08 at 11:53 pm to Lester Earl
Its not like Phelps is the only one with the new swimsut, and they're all swimming in the same pool. Phelps is heads and shoulders above anybody else right now. And Phelps owned world records before the new swimsuits by the way.
Posted on 8/12/08 at 11:53 pm to Lester Earl
They really only get these superstar relays together once every four years, at the olympics. Occasionally you'll get a couple of them at the World championships, but not on the same level.
The records falling are for a number of reasons, suits and pool are part of it, but I think it has to do a lot more with improved training methods. The 100 m dash has been going on for a long time. It's really hard to improve on something that's been around for that long. Competitive swimming has only really been around for 100 years or so, I think natural evolution of the sport has more to do with it. Just my two cents.
The records falling are for a number of reasons, suits and pool are part of it, but I think it has to do a lot more with improved training methods. The 100 m dash has been going on for a long time. It's really hard to improve on something that's been around for that long. Competitive swimming has only really been around for 100 years or so, I think natural evolution of the sport has more to do with it. Just my two cents.
Posted on 8/13/08 at 12:03 am to bigpapamac
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Phelps is beating different people in different races for the most part. He seems to be the only swimmer that can compete (and obviously dominate) at the highest level in all distances and all types of strokes.
Not really, he dominates at short distance butterfly and intermediate distance medley's. He's great, I just don't you can call him the greatest olympian simply because he's won the most gold's. Carl Lewis won 9, we did not win the 4X100 in 88 because the B team dropped the baton in the prelims, that's a DQ, or we win that for sure, that would have given him 10. They do not run the 4X200 relay, if they did, its a damn good bet we win that in 84 (we won G-S-B in the 200 in 84) and 88 as well so that'd give him 2 more.
This post was edited on 8/13/08 at 12:06 am
Posted on 8/13/08 at 12:04 am to bigpapamac
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Phelps is heads and shoulders above anybody else right now.
in his events, but WR are falling in all events, not just his.
Posted on 8/13/08 at 12:06 am to H-Town Tiger
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but WR are falling in all events, not just his.
that happened in athens and sydney too fwiw
Posted on 8/13/08 at 12:13 am to mburne4
Well, it's clear that the "Johnny come lately" people in this thread have absolutely no knowledge of Olympic history. Wipe your noses and come back in about 20 years.
Posted on 8/13/08 at 12:15 am to baytiger
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that happened in athens
I thought they said athens was slow
This post was edited on 8/13/08 at 12:16 am
Posted on 8/13/08 at 12:17 am to H-Town Tiger
regardless, I've said before.. I think the technology is more of an achievement than faster swimmers, so if it's the suits, I welcome them.
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