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re: Greatest 3rd baseman of all-time
Posted on 6/18/12 at 3:07 pm to Tiger in NY
Posted on 6/18/12 at 3:07 pm to Tiger in NY
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Sure, but more like top 20, rather than Top 3 as some like to put him.
More like top 50 to me. PJ might that that's an insult, but there are 750 players in MLB every year, being one of the 50 best to ever play is Hall of Fame level.
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Top twenty sounds right and NO way that makes him overated.
It does if there are people that put him higher or if you can make an arguement for 20 other guys.
There seems to be this misunderstanding of the term "over rated". It doesn't mean no good, it means some people rank what ever too high.
This post was edited on 6/18/12 at 3:10 pm
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Posted on 6/18/12 at 3:08 pm to H-Town Tiger
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More like top 50 to me. PJ might that that's an insult, but there are 750 players in MLB every year, being one of the 50-100 best to ever play is Hall of Fame level.
So you are saying Pete Rose did NOT have a HOF career?????
Posted on 6/18/12 at 3:10 pm to H-Town Tiger
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More like top 50 to me.
I'm probably where others have said, somewhere between 30-50. Yes, he should be in the HOF.
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So you are saying Pete Rose did NOT have a HOF career?????
He said exactly the opposite. read it again PJ.
This post was edited on 6/18/12 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 6/18/12 at 3:11 pm to dukke v
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So you are saying Pete Rose did NOT have a HOF career?????
Try reading this again,
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More like top 50 to me....being one of the 50-100 best to ever play is Hall of Fame level.
This post was edited on 6/18/12 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 6/18/12 at 3:11 pm to TigerintheNO
Re: Eddie Matthews. Joe Adcock retired up here in NW La. where he bred horses. He said of Eddie "If there was a fight breaking out on the field, Eddie did the most damage to the other team."
Posted on 6/18/12 at 3:13 pm to H-Town Tiger
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being one of the 50-100 best to ever play is Hall of Fame level.
So he is NOT overated then. You can't have it both ways H-town.
Posted on 6/18/12 at 3:20 pm to dukke v
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So he is NOT overated then. You can't have it both ways H-town
If some people think a player should be ranked #20 and I think he is no better than #50, that means imo his ranking is 30 spots to high, which by defanition is over rated. You are think over rated means no good, which is not the case.
This post was edited on 6/18/12 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 6/18/12 at 3:21 pm to dukke v
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So he is NOT overated then. You can't have it both ways H-town.
Goddammit you can be frustrating sometimes. Yes, he is still often overrated. People who rank him in the Top 10 or 20 are still overrating him. People who rank him at #50 are not. You can have it both ways. It just depends on where he is ranked.
Posted on 6/18/12 at 3:26 pm to H-Town Tiger
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is 30 spots to high, which is over rated
In Your opinion. So i guess anyone that thinks he is a top twenty player is an idiot????????????
Posted on 6/18/12 at 3:34 pm to Tiger in NY
Ummm… a majority of people likely have Cal Ripken as a top 3 shortstop of all time. And rightfully so. He pretty much redefined the position. But we’ll get into that on the shortstop list.
Clemente has a halo effect due to the circumstances surrounding his death in which its impossible to criticize him as a baseball player. He was Hall of Fame worthy, but people put him in that inner circle, like Rose, and he is not that level of player. And God forbid you suggest Larry Walker had a better arm. It’s like denying the divinity of Christ.
3rd base, BTW, is such a weird position. Not a hitter’s or gloveman’s position. Guys just fall through the cracks.
Clemente has a halo effect due to the circumstances surrounding his death in which its impossible to criticize him as a baseball player. He was Hall of Fame worthy, but people put him in that inner circle, like Rose, and he is not that level of player. And God forbid you suggest Larry Walker had a better arm. It’s like denying the divinity of Christ.
3rd base, BTW, is such a weird position. Not a hitter’s or gloveman’s position. Guys just fall through the cracks.
Posted on 6/18/12 at 3:36 pm to Baloo
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And God forbid you suggest Larry Walker had a better arm. It’s like denying the divinity of Christ.
been there
Posted on 6/18/12 at 3:40 pm to Baloo
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Clemente has a halo effect due to the circumstances surrounding his death in which its impossible to criticize him as a baseball player. He was Hall of Fame worthy, but people put him in that inner circle, like Rose, and he is not that level of player.
I looked up Clemente, and he is not in the Top 25 of ANY offensive category. He is barely in the Top 30 for hits and triples. That's it.
Posted on 6/18/12 at 3:48 pm to dukke v
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So i guess anyone that thinks he is a top twenty player is an idiot????????????
No, I think anyone that ranks Rose in the top 20 is, OVER RATING him.
Posted on 6/18/12 at 4:15 pm to H-Town Tiger
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No, I think anyone that ranks Rose in the top 20 is, OVER RATING him.
Well I am sure I could find 20 better than Rose, But to be HONEST you are prob the only one in history that puts him at 50 or worse. Is Nolan Ryan overated???????????? 7 No-no's and the strokeoutking but his WP and his Walks make me think so.
Posted on 6/18/12 at 4:28 pm to dukke v
There are people that rank Ryan in the top 5, that's way to high. He tends to be the most over rated pithcer.
Posted on 6/18/12 at 4:29 pm to wegotdatwood
LOL @ Caminiti mention.
Schmidt is the correct response here with Brett right behind him.
Schmidt is the correct response here with Brett right behind him.
Posted on 6/18/12 at 4:35 pm to H-Town Tiger
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There are people that rank Ryan in the top 5, that's way to high. He tends to be the most over rated pithcer.
I would still put rose in the top 20-25. But ANY PLAYER that has a HOF career is not overated by anyones opinion!!! 
Posted on 6/18/12 at 4:36 pm to Baloo
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Clemente has a halo effect due to the circumstances surrounding his death in which its impossible to criticize him as a baseball player. He was Hall of Fame worthy, but people put him in that inner circle, like Rose, and he is not that level of player. And God forbid you suggest Larry Walker had a better arm. It’s like denying the divinity of Christ.
Clemente is a top 30 position player of all time and top 15 position player in modern baseball history.
Posted on 6/18/12 at 4:40 pm to dukke v
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But ANY PLAYER that has a HOF career is not overated
Depends on how you define over rated. I define it literally. You are mistaking it for an insult (which I called several pages ago) or as saying someone is not that good or undeserving of HOF status which is not the case.
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