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re: Greatest 150 college football coaches in 150 years - ESPN Article
Posted on 12/10/19 at 10:12 am to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 12/10/19 at 10:12 am to Draconian Sanctions
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ehh that's a bit of a stretch, but no way is he outside the top 15 or 20.
I think the only reason he isn't in the top 5 is longevity.
His top 5 seasons are as good as anyone outside the top 3 right? No order but just laying out the accomplishments
1. Undefeated Utah
2. Undefeated OSU 2012
3. National title OSU 2014
4. National title UF 2006
5. National title UF 2008
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Posted on 12/10/19 at 10:14 am to Draconian Sanctions
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ehh that's a bit of a stretch, but no way is he outside the top 15 or 20.
His track record is pretty damn good.
Bowing Green
Pre-Meyer 2000 = 3-9
Meyer’s first season 2001 = 8-3
Second season 2002 = 9-3
At Utah
Pre-Meyer 2002 = 5-6
Meyer’s first season 2003 = 10-2
Second season 2004 = 12-0 with BCS win
At UF
Pre-Meyer 2004 = 7-5
Urbs first season 2005 = 9-3
Second season 2006 = 13-1 and BCSNC
At tOSU
Pre-Meyer 2011 = 6-7
First season 2012 = 12-0
Considering a lot of that turnaround is based strictly on coaching and not just getting his own guys into his system, that’s pretty incredible.
This post was edited on 12/11/19 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 12/10/19 at 10:27 am to BuckeyeFan87
When you're talking about the top 5 ever you've got to split hairs somewhere.
I think we all agree Bear and Saban are top 5.
Most would also agree Rockne as well, but it's an open question what to do with these really old school coaches from before WW2 as things were so so different.
Not sure how to handle small school coaches like Robinson or Gagliardi, that's apples and oranges to me.
What Bud Wilkinson did at OU was ridiculous.
I look at Bobby Bowden and Joe Paterno and for me, because they did it at places with no prestablished history, I mean Penn State and Florida State were the equivalent of UCF today, that gives them the edge over Meyer who won at Florida and Ohio State. And they did so for much much longer.
Then you've got the Woody Hayes, John Mckay, Barry Switzer tier. That's when it gets more debatable. As an Ohio State fan would you put Urban over Hayes?
I think we all agree Bear and Saban are top 5.
Most would also agree Rockne as well, but it's an open question what to do with these really old school coaches from before WW2 as things were so so different.
Not sure how to handle small school coaches like Robinson or Gagliardi, that's apples and oranges to me.
What Bud Wilkinson did at OU was ridiculous.
I look at Bobby Bowden and Joe Paterno and for me, because they did it at places with no prestablished history, I mean Penn State and Florida State were the equivalent of UCF today, that gives them the edge over Meyer who won at Florida and Ohio State. And they did so for much much longer.
Then you've got the Woody Hayes, John Mckay, Barry Switzer tier. That's when it gets more debatable. As an Ohio State fan would you put Urban over Hayes?
Posted on 12/10/19 at 10:34 am to Draconian Sanctions
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As an Ohio State fan would you put Urban over Hayes?
That’s sort of splitting hairs in all honesty. Woody had many more years to accumulate NCs. But overall, in terms of results on the field, I think Urban takes it by a small(maybe even larger) margin.
In terms of folklore, I put Woody ahead of Urban.
This post was edited on 12/10/19 at 10:41 am
Posted on 12/10/19 at 10:42 am to TigerMan327
Despite all the shite gets on here, that’s a terrible ranking of Les.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 10:47 am to wildtigercat93
Bill Snyder should be a lot higher than 55th. I think he is top 10 of all time.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 11:42 am to BuckeyeATC87
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List has no credibility with Urban that low.
I can’t stand Urban Meyer.
And him at #46 is ridiculously low. If he’s not top 10 then the list is invalid.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 11:44 am to emoney
Urban Meyer is easily a top 5 or top 10 coach
Posted on 12/10/19 at 11:45 am to emoney
D.X. Bible is WAY too low at 104.
Also, having Chris Ault in the top 100 for inventing the Pistol but Emory Bellard not even mentioned for inventing the wishbone is insulting.
Also, having Chris Ault in the top 100 for inventing the Pistol but Emory Bellard not even mentioned for inventing the wishbone is insulting.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 11:46 am to emoney
Spurrier behind Dooley is a fricking joke. And Urban didn't coach for 30 years...but every team he put on the field was near elite or was elite. That should count for something.
This post was edited on 12/10/19 at 11:48 am
Posted on 12/10/19 at 11:52 am to NorthshoreTiger76
Urban should be over Tressel, but I always thought Tressel was a little underrated. He changed the culture at Ohio State and flipped a one-sided rivalry completely around. They went from good to great seemingly overnight.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 12:10 pm to wildtigercat93
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that’s a terrible ranking of Les.
I agree. You can't put someone like Richt higher than Les as someone previously stated.
For me Saban is #1. Urban is way underrated. Part of the problem with this list is they felt the need to include coaches in other divisions. I realize its a college football coaching list not a Division 1 or FBS list. Someone like Eddie Robinson transcends divisions and should be on the list. Some of those other guys I'm not so sure.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 12:20 pm to emoney
Won't have time to read the through the list till later tonight.
What number is Mike Dubose?
TIA
What number is Mike Dubose?
TIA
Posted on 12/10/19 at 12:24 pm to TexasTiger08
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Urban should be over Tressel
You can argue what he did at Youngstown (4 NC and 7 Title Games) from building them from a nothing to the top school then going into tOSU and rebuilding them in a sense. He also won what 6 NY6 bowl games? I can only think of his first year when he was not in a NY6 game. I think Meyer is better but I can see the argument I suppose?
This post was edited on 12/10/19 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 12/10/19 at 12:45 pm to emoney
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Larry Kehres, 332-24-3
And 11 national championships. #28 is too low for Kehres.
This post was edited on 12/10/19 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 12/10/19 at 1:34 pm to BuckeyeFan87
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That’s sort of splitting hairs in all honesty. Woody had many more years to accumulate NCs. But overall, in terms of results on the field, I think Urban takes it by a small(maybe even larger) margin.
You have to give Urban a huge advantage IMO. All due respect to Hayes, Bryant, Royal et al but those guys mostly coached before scholarship limits. That said, I think Urban should have won at least one more title at OSU, he couldn't control the 2012 bowl ban thing, but 2015 at least they should've won
Posted on 12/10/19 at 1:57 pm to emoney
Garbage list.
Meyer is too low.
Frosty Freaking Westering in the NAIA and D3? Ranked #39 above Dan Devine, Barry Alvarez, and Hayden Fry? Give me a break. That garbage shouldn’t even be on the list.
Meyer is too low.
Frosty Freaking Westering in the NAIA and D3? Ranked #39 above Dan Devine, Barry Alvarez, and Hayden Fry? Give me a break. That garbage shouldn’t even be on the list.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 2:11 pm to TigerMan327
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Les Miles behind Mark Richt?
They should be about equal IMO. Richt owns the head to head 3-2, and one of those two was decided by one of the most ridiculous personal fouls ever (on AJ Green). Also Richt produced Miami's only 10 win season since 2003 as well as their only division title and major bowl berth in that time span
Posted on 12/10/19 at 2:14 pm to Mithridates6
Chris Petersen and Mack brown at 58 and 59 is criminal.
Paul Johnson being anywhere on that list is inexcusable.
Paul Johnson being anywhere on that list is inexcusable.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 2:16 pm to Boatshoes
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Frosty Freaking Westering in the NAIA and D3? Ranked #39 above Dan Devine, Barry Alvarez, and Hayden Fry? Give me a break. That garbage shouldn’t even be on the list.
Actually it is criminal more lower division guys are not on there, as they are generally more inventive and have bigger impacts on the game.
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