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Posted on 7/12/12 at 10:41 am to CptBengal
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i should have expounded., He told me about the charities he worked with, the people he helped find homes and jobs, his connection with former players long after the careers with Penn State were over, etc.
and you understood it all? hell even at football's eve i didn't understand a word the man said
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I'm sorry. But the FB program covered this up for decades. There are multiple confirmed counts of crimes against kids that were covered up TO PROTECT THE FB PROGRAM, for decades.
Current players should be given a chance to transfer by the NCAA. They're good enough to play at PSU, somebody will give them a shot.
and the fans, students, and school? how do they deal with it? or do we not care because a few men's corruption and greed took a hold?
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Lulz. That example is bullshite.
FIFY:
If a man kills someone else, and his family helps cover up the crime...THEY ALL GO TO JAIL.
so all 100,000+ alumni, 44,000 current students, and all their fans helped cover it up?
Posted on 7/12/12 at 10:43 am to Damn Good Dawg
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did you miss the example earlier where if a husband kills in the name of his family you don't arrest the husband AND his family?
you are killing me smalls.
The point of the analogy was that if you send a man to jail, his wife and kids will suffer by not having someone to bring in money and help raise the kids
e.g. The football program gets hit with sanctions, the students, fans, and current football players will suffer.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 10:43 am to Damn Good Dawg
Doesn't matter what good JoePa did, if one child was raped because he failed to act, then all of his actions are voided.
As a counter argument, how many good acts allow you to facilitate a child rape?
As a counter argument, how many good acts allow you to facilitate a child rape?
Posted on 7/12/12 at 10:43 am to prplhze2000
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or you could make the case football literally ran the school.
That's an easy case to make, too.
State College, PA, is dependent on Penn State U.
Penn State U ran through the football program because it brought so much money into the school and the local community.
shite like that is why JoePa was constantly able to get his guys out of trouble whenever they did something stupid, as being a small town made it easy to control information and cover things up as well as having everyone dependent on the school and, by extension, the football program.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 10:43 am to Damn Good Dawg
quote:DGD, in your opinion a football program should never get put on probation or face penalties correct? Because if we pay ten players 500,000 to come to play at LSU and get caught, LSU's program should face no penlties correct? After all, don't want to punish those not involved.
ok, so because this happened we should punish current coaches, players, students and fans?
Posted on 7/12/12 at 10:44 am to Damn Good Dawg
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so all 100,000+ alumni, 44,000 current students, and all their fans helped cover it up?
Using that argument, then no school should ever be put on probation or be subjected to the Death Penalty since their alumn, students, or fans took part in the violations
Posted on 7/12/12 at 10:44 am to Damn Good Dawg
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so all 100,000+ alumni, 44,000 current students, and all their fans helped cover it up?
i don't even get the argument about the fans- students and alumni maybe i could eventually round up some type of feelings towards but fans? who gives a shite if a fans feelings are hurt?
Posted on 7/12/12 at 10:45 am to Damn Good Dawg
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and you understood it all?
this was back in the mid/late 90s...yeah it wasnt heard to talk to him, it was just two guys standing on a beach.
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and the fans, students, and school?
the fans can still be fans of the other great sports they have at PSU, women's volleyball for example. The students attend a Tier 1 research institution. FB has nothing to do with the prestige of the University academically.
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how do they deal with it?
how did the SMU fans deal with it?
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so all 100,000+ alumni, 44,000 current students, and all their fans helped cover it up?
no, the FB program did...and the FB program should be punished. Don't shift the argument.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 10:45 am to lsupride87
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lsupride87
this is a crime, not an instance of PSU trying to gain an athletic advantage
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barry
idc how you intended it, i took it and ran with it on my own, i'm crazy like that
Posted on 7/12/12 at 10:45 am to SPEEDY
quote:Exactly. According to him, we should just commit as many violations as possible.
Using that argument, then no school should ever be put on probation or be subjected to the Death Penalty since their alumn, students, or fans took part in the violations
Posted on 7/12/12 at 10:46 am to Damn Good Dawg
I know that it's a crime, but your argument that the fans and other players shouldn't suffer holds no value.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 10:46 am to Damn Good Dawg
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none of you pricks really have any credibility in the matter, especially when you think the whole school should burn because it's leadership was so fricking crooked.
You're an enabler.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 10:47 am to SPEEDY
DGD, I understand you are emotionally tied to this case, but your arguments don't hold much water.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 10:47 am to CptBengal
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the fans can still be fans of the other great sports they have at PSU, women's volleyball for example. The students attend a Tier 1 research institution. FB has nothing to do with the prestige of the University academically.
the millions that come from the football program that will suddenly vanish sure will hurt the school academically
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how did the SMU fans deal with it?
apples and oranges. SMU was cheating in football. PSU engaged in a cover up to protect a FORMER coach. no athletic advantage. heinous crime but this isn't the NCAA's deal.
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no, the FB program did...and the FB program should be punished. Don't shift the argument.
and the law suits that will soon plague the school will absolutey punish them
Posted on 7/12/12 at 10:49 am to slackster
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DGD, I understand you are emotionally tied to this case, but your arguments don't hold much water.
and what, yall thinking the football program should be shut down and the school should be shut down and frick all of the PSU population is any better? PSU deserves punishment, no one is arguing that, but yall are going off the deep end
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power tool
eh, probably
This post was edited on 7/12/12 at 10:50 am
Posted on 7/12/12 at 10:49 am to Damn Good Dawg
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this is a crime, not an instance of PSU trying to gain an athletic advantage
By concealing it, it prevented PSU from becoming NAMBLA University, thus allowing them to continue to recruit quality players without that stigma attached
This post was edited on 7/12/12 at 10:50 am
Posted on 7/12/12 at 10:51 am to SPEEDY
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By concealing it, it prevented PSU from becoming NAMBLA University, thus allowing them to continue to recruit quality players without that stigma attached
sure, that could and probably is true, but is that worth the death penalty everyone in this thread is clamoring for?
Posted on 7/12/12 at 10:51 am to Damn Good Dawg
Posted on 7/12/12 at 10:52 am to Damn Good Dawg
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Damn Good Dawg
So, you don't think that having a pedo coach would hurt recruiting? You don't think that any controversy in a program hurts recruiting?
And, would covering up a controversy help ensure that the program maintains its current status and isn't hampered by controversy?
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