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re: Freeh report is out: "PSU showed 'total disregard' for Sandusky victims"
Posted on 7/12/12 at 12:19 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
Posted on 7/12/12 at 12:19 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
Matt Millen is making an arse out of himself.
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Posted on 7/12/12 at 12:19 pm to Golfer
Sorry but the death penalty IS necessary if anything, to change this entire sick culture that the football program was. When you have what was going on there, this involves the ENTIRE football program minus the actual players.
Shut it down for at least a year.
Shut it down for at least a year.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 12:20 pm to Sophandros
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Punishing the actual individuals who committed those crimes will accomplish that.
yes and the FB program as an institution is guilty, because these people represented and acted on behalf of the program.
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You shouldn't need an example to know that you don't go around covering up child molesters...
yep. But there is Penn State, just begging to be that example.
As Emmert said...LOIC involves strict ethical guidelines.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 12:21 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
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This institution showed zero regard for any rules, criminal, NCAA, basic morals, etc.. If an institution is going to do this; they are going to do it, no matter what you do to Penn state.
well then, I guess PSU FB Program should just get off....because they werent going to play by the rules anyway.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 12:22 pm to CptBengal
They covered it up to PROTECT THE PROGRAM, ar you kidding me? They placed more importance in the program than the well being of children. I'm sorry but that kind of culture deserves to be shut down. I don't care if it's punishing the wrong people, it's what needs to happen.
Not as a warning to other school, a simply friggen re focus on the whole program.
Not as a warning to other school, a simply friggen re focus on the whole program.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 12:22 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
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Further, what purpose does the death penalty serve? Deterring other universities from covering up child molestation? If the legal consequences weren't a deterent, I don't think NCAA rules will be.
Then why punish anyone ever? This is such a retarded line of thinking.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 12:23 pm to hendersonshands
Matt Millen sounds like a sociopath trying to justify pederasty. ESPN is hurting itself by putting that idiot on air.
This post was edited on 7/12/12 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 7/12/12 at 12:24 pm to hendersonshands
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Matt Millen is making an arse out of himself.
But he's trending on twitter-
John Stansberry ?@LonelyTailgater
Matt Millen: "You know, if you take away the Holocaust and the invading Poland thing, Hitler wasn't that bad of a dude."
mike freeman ?@realfreemancbs
"Yeah, but did you actually SEE the craft land on the moon?" --Signed, Matt Millen
Bobby Big Wheel ?@BobbyBigWheel
At this point there's no difference between Matt Millen and the "It's still real to me, dammit!" guy
Posted on 7/12/12 at 12:28 pm to usc6158
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Bet the idiots protesting when JoePa got fired feel like real winners today
Just started reading, but this
Posted on 7/12/12 at 12:29 pm to LNCHBOX
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Deterring other universities from covering up child molestation? If the legal consequences weren't a deterent, I don't think NCAA rules will be.
Then why punish anyone ever? This is such a retarded line of thinking.
You punish for those reasons. I don't see any of those reasons present in the death penalty argument. The death penalty isn't going to deter child molestation coverups, the guilty will be punished, and the university as a whole will suffer from lawsuits and the stain of this terrible act.
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I guess PSU FB Program should just get off.
People responsible will be jailed. University will suffer huge monetary losses to lawsuits. I guess the bad guys get away again....
I'll ask one more time, what purpose does the death penalty serve? What is the goal with that punishment?
Posted on 7/12/12 at 12:30 pm to WITNESS23
Christine Brennan 
Posted on 7/12/12 at 12:32 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
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I'll ask one more time, what purpose does the death penalty serve? What is the goal with that punishment?
Are you against the DP for all violations in all programs?
Posted on 7/12/12 at 12:32 pm to Cash
From page 65 in the report:
"Janitor B explained to the Special Investigative Council that reporting the incident 'would have been like going against the President of the United States in my eyes.' I know Paterno has so much power, if he wanted to get rid of someone, I would have been gone.' He explained, 'football runs this University' and said the University would have closed ranks to protect the football program at all costs."
The footnote on pages 65-66 referencing Paterno's attempt to coverup the 2007 fight where his football players injured several people is interesting too.
"Janitor B explained to the Special Investigative Council that reporting the incident 'would have been like going against the President of the United States in my eyes.' I know Paterno has so much power, if he wanted to get rid of someone, I would have been gone.' He explained, 'football runs this University' and said the University would have closed ranks to protect the football program at all costs."
The footnote on pages 65-66 referencing Paterno's attempt to coverup the 2007 fight where his football players injured several people is interesting too.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 12:32 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
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The death penalty isn't going to deter child molestation coverups, the guilty will be punished, and the university as a whole will suffer from lawsuits and the stain of this terrible act.
So just because it isn't going to deter it, the program responsible for the cover up should not be punished? Are you insane?
If I do something wrong while on the clock, my employer also bears liability for my actions. It should be the same thing here.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 12:33 pm to filmmaker45
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I'm sorry but that kind of culture deserves to be shut down. I don't care if it's punishing the wrong people
Because Penn State football was so pervasive in the culture of State College, this was allowed to happen in the first place. The townspeople, admins, fans, and boosters allowed for JoePa to attain such a status that he was able to hide this for so long.
Because of those things, you aren't really punishing the wrong people. Sure some of the current athletes will have to find a new place to play if they want to continue their careers, but frick everyone else. Just because they weren't implicit in the cover up, doesn't mean they didn't enable the forces that allowed it to happen.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 12:34 pm to Golfer
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If Athletic Department officials are found guilty of criminal activity under the protection of the "Storied Football Program." There most certainly is a right way to punish this.
I was meaning where can you draw the line on how far they should be punished that is going far enough to make up for allowing that to happen.
I would rather see them face post season bans, scholarship reductions and all conference revenue, B1G Network revenue, etc. go to advocacy groups for child molestation for an indeterminate amount of years. Slinking off into the darkness is too easy of a punishment. I would rather them remain in the public eye going 1-11 or 2-10.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 12:34 pm to MikeyFL
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From page 65 in the report:
"Janitor B explained to the Special Investigative Council that reporting the incident 'would have been like going against the President of the United States in my eyes.' I know Paterno has so much power, if he wanted to get rid of someone, I would have been gone.' He explained, 'football runs this University' and said the University would have closed ranks to protect the football program at all costs."
Nope, it's all Spanier. He was the boss.
-Matt Millen
Posted on 7/12/12 at 12:34 pm to filmmaker45
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Sorry but the death penalty IS necessary if anything, to change this entire sick culture that the football program was. When you have what was going on there, this involves the ENTIRE football program minus the actual players.
Shut it down for at least a year.
Overreaction isn't going to help anything. The torch and pitchfork crowd need to step back a bit. PSU will be punished financially, the folks involved in the cover up have been fired and the image of all is tarnished forever. Symbolic bullshite isn't going to help anyone or anything.
I said all along that JoPa was the central figure (besides Sandusky) all along since he carried so much weight at PSU.
Why not just shut the whole school down? This isn't a football program issue. Its school wide.
This post was edited on 7/12/12 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 7/12/12 at 12:35 pm to ProjectP2294
Atta boy Mark May. Finally some fricking sense.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 12:36 pm to hendersonshands
Damn, Mark May is proving to be the only non-brainwashed Penn St. alum on TV.
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