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re: Freeh report is out: "PSU showed 'total disregard' for Sandusky victims"
Posted on 7/12/12 at 11:30 am to jacks40
Posted on 7/12/12 at 11:30 am to jacks40
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Asking the NCAA to intervene is directly looking to punish those not involved, it's purposely targeting them.
lol wut?
The NCAA is already involved as per Emmert. This deals with the FB PROGRAM.
You dont get to get out of it because only your coaches, administrators and AD were involved int the coverup.
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Posted on 7/12/12 at 11:32 am to Jacuzzitub
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That way, it's not about justice or revenge. It's just a fair warning to potential players
You think there are going to be recruits who don't know about this anytime soon? In the next 15 years?
And warn them of what? Certainly not of danger, the only pedophile is already in jail.
Listen you want to hang a sign up, go for it. As far as punishments go it's probably one of the dumbest things ever thought of.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 11:32 am to CptBengal
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You dont get to get out of it because only your coaches, administrators and AD were involved int the coverup.
Only the boosters and coaches were involved in paying players, don't hurt the program!
Posted on 7/12/12 at 11:39 am to Rickety Cricket
I'm still interested in the alleged prostitution ring that was hinted at when this first broke.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 11:40 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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Seems like a prime example of lack of institutional control to me.
Lack of institutional control applies to NCAA rules and NCAA rule compliance. I haven't found any NCAA rule regarding child rape yet. This is outside of the scope of the NCAA. The guilty will be jailed, and the university will pay through lawsuits.
Quick doc I could find on just what is NCAA institutional control:
LINK
Lack of institutional control sounds like it applies, but in the NCAA context it is a term if art that is not applicable in this case.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 11:41 am to CptBengal
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The NCAA is already involved as per Emmert. This deals with the FB PROGRAM.
No it doesn't. These involves horrible things that happened to children and the inexcusable mistakes that others made in dealing with them.
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You dont get to get out of it because only your coaches, administrators and AD were involved int the coverup.
According to the Freeh report it was 4 people.
And no one should get out of anything. Everyone involved should be prosecuted under existing criminal law.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 11:44 am to Archie Bengal Bunker
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Lack of institutional control sounds like it applies, but in the NCAA context it is a term if art that is not applicable in this case.
from your link:
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A head coach fails to create and maintain an atmosphere for compliance within the program the coach supervises or fails to monitor the activities of assistant coaches regarding compliance.
Unless compliance is the coverup of decades of child rape...I dont see how they survive.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 11:44 am to Archie Bengal Bunker
Further, what purpose does the death penalty serve? Deterring other universities from covering up child molestation? If the legal consequences weren't a deterent, I don't think NCAA rules will be. Just desert? Giving them what they deserve? Seems like the court is suited for that.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 11:44 am to Archie Bengal Bunker
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haven't found any NCAA rule regarding child rape yet. This is outside of the scope of the NCAA
The NCAA can't effectively regulate the rules and jurisdiction that it currently has and has had decades to practice at.
Why people think it would be a good idea for them to be decision-makers in matters like this, is beyond me.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 11:45 am to jacks40
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No it doesn't. These involves horrible things that happened to children and the inexcusable mistakes that others made in dealing with them.
Why did these people cover it up?
WHY? Because of the money gravy train of the FB program.
So yes, FB is the reason for the coverup. these people did not act in a vacuum.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 11:46 am to CptBengal
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Unless compliance is the coverup of decades of child rape...I dont see how they survive.
The NCAA may punish them regardless, but that doesn't make it justice
Posted on 7/12/12 at 11:46 am to CptBengal
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Unless compliance is the coverup of decades of child rape...I dont see how they survive.
NCAA rule compliance. I still haven't found the NCAA rule on child rape.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 11:46 am to Elleshoe
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I'm still interested in the alleged prostitution ring that was hinted at when this first broke.
It's hard enough to believe that grown, educated men turned a blind eye to what was going on. I can't fathom a prostitution ring......
Posted on 7/12/12 at 11:50 am to Archie Bengal Bunker
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NCAA rule compliance.
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I still haven't found the NCAA rule on child rape.
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Emmert: Well we have rules and bylaws that -- while they were never written to address anything quite like this of course -- they speak directly to the control that institutions have to maintain over their athletic departments and their programs. And they speak very directly to ethical behavior of people in those programs and we'll apply those bylaws, and if the allegations hold up, then we'll act accordingly.
LINK
Posted on 7/12/12 at 11:51 am to Archie Bengal Bunker
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If the legal consequences weren't a deterent, I don't think NCAA rules will be.
I think the NCAAs concern would be with a coach with the authority to override an AD and a university president.
There is no "right" way to punish this.
This post was edited on 7/12/12 at 11:53 am
Posted on 7/12/12 at 12:11 pm to Waffle House
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There is no "right" way to punish this.
If Athletic Department officials are found guilty of criminal activity under the protection of the "Storied Football Program." There most certainly is a right way to punish this.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 12:11 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
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If the legal consequences weren't a deterent, I don't think NCAA rules will be.
They didn't hide the cover up because of the legal ramifications.
They hid the cover up because of potential damage to the football program and possible NCAA sanctions.
Got to be able to bring the hammer down.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 12:11 pm to Waffle House
@darrenrovell: BREAKING: Nike taking Joe Paterno’s name off its childcare center on the Nike campus
Posted on 7/12/12 at 12:17 pm to Chappy
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The football program should most certainly be punished. The only thing that could have been worse would have been covering up for a serial killer. Every university in the country needs to understand you don't cover up this type of crime to protect your program or your coach.
Punishing the actual individuals who committed those crimes will accomplish that.
You shouldn't need an example to know that you don't go around covering up child molesters...
Posted on 7/12/12 at 12:18 pm to barry
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Got to be able to bring the hammer down.
what purpose does the death penalty serve?
deterrence?
rehabilitation?
retribution?
what?
This institution showed zero regard for any rules, criminal, NCAA, basic morals, etc.. If an institution is going to do this; they are going to do it, no matter what you do to Penn state.
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