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re: Frank Thomas alleges that Ivan Rodriguez used steroids
Posted on 1/30/17 at 7:48 am to TigerintheNO
Posted on 1/30/17 at 7:48 am to TigerintheNO
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Canseco wrote in his book he showed Pudge which steroids to use and taught him how to inject himself.
Exactly...this isn't the first time.
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Posted on 1/30/17 at 7:54 am to el duderino III
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OK so now any player who gets bigger and stronger from 21-25 , like all pro athletes do, is assumed to be juicing, with no evidence and never being named by anyone? If you're gonna bitch about bagwell you basically have to bitch about anyone who played during that era and hit more than 25 homers a year.
Are you gonna say--with a straight face--that you don't believe Bagwell did steroids?
Posted on 1/30/17 at 7:56 am to Hot Carl
The entire argument of Steroids and Baseball is stupid.
Posted on 1/30/17 at 7:56 am to Speedy G
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It is absurd that he got in first ballot while Bonds and Clemens, who were HOF players before they ever used, are still not in.
no, what's absurd is guys like McGriff can't get in because their numbers fell short of the juicers.
CrimeDog with those numbers in another era is in.
Posted on 1/30/17 at 7:59 am to LanierSpots
I am a Pudge/Rangers fan and admit that he juiced and therefore should not have gotten in on the first ballot.
That is what separates me from other delusional fans. Red Sox/Ortiz fans will be completely adamant Ortiz didn't juice, for example. Yet they are mad Pudge got elected. Hypocrites
That is what separates me from other delusional fans. Red Sox/Ortiz fans will be completely adamant Ortiz didn't juice, for example. Yet they are mad Pudge got elected. Hypocrites
Posted on 1/30/17 at 8:00 am to King of New Orleans
The Big Butt Hurt 
Posted on 1/30/17 at 11:33 am to LSU alum wannabe
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Amphetamines say "hello"..... Many a dead baseball god enjoyed a greenie, beanie, or "leaded" coffee
Any of them gain thirty pounds of muscle? I'll hang up and listen.
Posted on 1/30/17 at 12:23 pm to goldenbadger08
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Seems like everyone back then was. The HOF voters pick and choose who they want to apply the steroids argument to.
Agree.
It has to be hard for the Frank Thomas's and Tony Gwynn's of the world who did not dope, and watch guys who did get in.
I think those who did dope and got in to the HOF justify it in their minds with "everybody else in that era was doping".
Personally I will never understand how somebody can feel good about any accomplishment done with cheating involved.
This post was edited on 1/30/17 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 1/30/17 at 2:56 pm to TigerAlum93
Anyone want to take a stab at the weight difference here? Big Hurt rookie year in the top pic
Posted on 1/30/17 at 4:47 pm to GynoSandberg
nice baseball card picture you found 
Hes smaller in that picture than he was at Auburn.
Hes smaller in that picture than he was at Auburn.
Posted on 1/30/17 at 5:13 pm to GynoSandberg
Looks like he gained weight but doesn't look shredded. You think someone as adamant about the topic as Thomas was a user? 
Posted on 1/30/17 at 5:17 pm to Rig
Palemerio was fairly adamant...
This post was edited on 1/30/17 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 1/30/17 at 5:45 pm to Rig
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Looks like he gained weight but doesn't look shredded.
Lotta guys wore baggy uniforms at the turn of the century. Who really knows who was shredded? ManRam, Ortiz etc
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You think someone as adamant about the topic as Thomas was a user?
I mean, he was already a huge person. Who would really accuse someone already 6'5" 240 of using steroids? He's just awfully defensive and has gone out of his way to proclaim his innocence. You can tell he's not the smartest guy in the room.
He broke in at 22 years old. I guess the point is, a lot of guys gained size over their career.
Posted on 1/30/17 at 6:11 pm to GynoSandberg
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He's just awfully defensive and has gone out of his way to proclaim his innocence. You can tell he's not the smartest guy in the room.
Out of his way to proclaim his innocence? The dude was calling for steroid testing while he was playing back in the 90s. He's the only player who voluntarily chose to talk to the Mitchell report people. The idea that a player who was actively campaigning for steroid testing while he was at his peak was juicing is just plain dumb.
Posted on 1/30/17 at 6:31 pm to auyushu
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The dude was calling for steroid testing while he was playing back in the 90s. He's the only player who voluntarily chose to talk to the Mitchell report people.
You're a bit biased, but none of these guys started speaking out against steroids until testing came into play around 03-04. Then everyone was like, "I'll be the first in line!" Well yeah, no shite, you have no choice. Luis Gonzalez was insulted people accused him of using at that time. He only went from hitting HRs in the teens to mashing 57. Of course he was all against steroids by the time testing rolled around and he could get off the stuff and go back to his HRs being cut in half. Once the testing policy went into effect, players had enough warning to where they could get off steroids and not be in trouble. Some did, some didn't.
Im not saying Thomas definitely used, but he and Griffey always get a pass. Maybe they didnt use, or maybe they got off the stuff before they could get caught.
You can always check the numbers of guys who may have used pre 03-04, and post 03-04, the dip is always there after testing was implemented.
Posted on 1/30/17 at 7:55 pm to GynoSandberg
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You're a bit biased, but none of these guys started speaking out against steroids until testing came into play around 03-04.
Do some research, Frank was speaking out against it in the middle to late 90s. And while I'm a little biased, the facts support my argument on him. There is zilch linking him to steroid/HGH. You try and act like everyone was stumbling over themselves to call out Roids, but Frank was the only active player to actually voluntarily speak to the Mitchell report interviewers.
Not to mention Frank hardly got smaller after the early 2000s, started to break down as soon as he hit 30 (in 1998), and had a pretty normal aging curve.
Posted on 1/30/17 at 7:58 pm to auyushu
Frank may in fact be the only clean power hitter from that era.
Posted on 1/30/17 at 8:27 pm to King of New Orleans
In 1996 or so my brother-in-law and I got free parking at a Rangers game for saying "sign pudge" as part of a promo.
Wth kind of business model is that by the parking people? I mean it's not like it was a hyper competitive parking lot situation
Wth kind of business model is that by the parking people? I mean it's not like it was a hyper competitive parking lot situation
This post was edited on 1/30/17 at 8:28 pm
Posted on 1/30/17 at 10:25 pm to auyushu
Frank was my favorite player back then. Never a mention of him doing drugs. I thought it was common knowledge Ivan did them. surprised it got brought up on the MSb
Posted on 1/30/17 at 10:38 pm to auyushu
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Do some research, Frank was speaking out against it in the middle to late 90s
do you have a link i can look at?
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You try and act like everyone was stumbling over themselves to call out Roids, but Frank was the only active player to actually voluntarily speak to the Mitchell report interviewers.
They were; all kinds of guys had their hands up after testing was implemented as if it was ludicrous to suggest anyone was using. This was 03-04. Mitchell wasnt interviewing people til 07, where no one had anything to lose or gain by talking with him. Thomas could've done it just to improve his image seeing as Thomas offered no details and said he hadn't see or heard of anyone using
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Not to mention Frank hardly got smaller after the early 2000s, started to break down as soon as he hit 30 (in 1998), and had a pretty normal aging curve
idk, he was huge in Oak and TOR. Couldve just been old man weight gain, though.
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