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Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 7/20/21 at 4:47 pm to
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the Merc engineer
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the fastest turn of the track
How is that the fastest turn on the track?
Posted by BottomlandBrew
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Posted on 7/20/21 at 4:55 pm to
Okay, fastest corner. Whatever. The point still stands that no one is going to intentionally wreck at 250 while turning and expect to make it through unscathed. It's race suicide.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
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Posted on 7/20/21 at 4:58 pm to
Apparently Red Bull hired lawyers
Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 7/20/21 at 5:09 pm to
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no one is going to intentionally wreck at 250
they weren't even going 250 kph.
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 7/20/21 at 5:12 pm to
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Apparently Red Bull hired lawyers


Saw the original report was a bit sus on who put it out.

It borders on cringe hiring a lawyer over this. Would like to hear what grounds they want to sue over.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
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Posted on 7/20/21 at 5:17 pm to
You're right. They weren't going 250. They were going faster. Telemetry actually puts both of them between 270 and 290. Source
Posted by BottomlandBrew
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Posted on 7/20/21 at 5:20 pm to
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It borders on cringe hiring a lawyer over this.


It's like earlier in the season when Aston was "considering legal action" over the new aero regs.
Posted by extremetigerfanatic
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Posted on 7/20/21 at 5:26 pm to
I get lost when the argument is the corner is so fast no one would do that on purpose. But also it’s fine that Lewis stuck his nose up where it didn’t fit in that same extremely fast curve it’s not his fault he was going that fast and missed the corner and drove max off.
It can’t be both.
And I think that’s Horners biggest beef. Lewis knew that corner was too fast for that move.
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 7/20/21 at 5:30 pm to
Lewis' move would have worked had Max backed out. Not saying Max should have, but that is how aggressive driving works. Force your opponent to give up. Max made Hamilton do exactly that earlier in the lap.

Max didn't back out and Lewis didn't have a backup plan for how to avoid Max.
Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 7/20/21 at 5:32 pm to
nvmd. checked again.

It's still an intentional on Hamilton though. I thin only Merc and well wishers believe otherwise.

This post was edited on 7/20/21 at 5:34 pm
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 7/20/21 at 5:33 pm to
Not sure if their angle is to challenge the Hamilton penalty to try and get more, which likely won't work.

Or maybe their angle is to try and get the damages removed from the cost cap since the ruled Hamilton was predominantly at fault, which seems a reach since Max was deemed somewhat at fault. Not sure if FIA will have to then put a number on what percentage of fault each was at then award damages based on that. Seems like a can of worms to open.
Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 7/20/21 at 5:35 pm to
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Max didn't back out and Lewis didn't have a backup plan for how to avoid Max.

Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 7/20/21 at 5:40 pm to
Does the amount of racers and analyst that have come out saying it wasn't intentional and probably more of a racing incident bother you?

I get RBR being how they are, I think Merc would be whining all the same. Just haven't seen a single legitimate independent racer or analyst say Lewis intentionally wrecked him.
Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 7/20/21 at 5:42 pm to
The FIA?
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 7/20/21 at 5:42 pm to
The FIA said the blame was split.
Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 7/20/21 at 5:45 pm to
That must be why they penalized both of them?
This post was edited on 7/20/21 at 5:48 pm
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 7/20/21 at 5:54 pm to
Very seldom does the FIA punish the minority offender, especially if they DNF as a result.

Even when blame is 50/50 a DNF usually doesn't result in any sort of penalty, unless it is particularly egregious. ROS/HAM in 2016 Spain is an example of a driver doing something dangerous and not even getting points on their license.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 7/20/21 at 6:27 pm to
Look. dude (I assume). Sorry your Hammy dickriding has hit a bumpy road, but this one is pretty clear. Happily, Max did not die.
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 7/20/21 at 6:35 pm to
Look, bro. I haven't said Hamilton wasn't to blame, quite the opposite.

The narrative that Lewis tried to intentionally kill him or intentionally wreck him is absurd. Only fringe Max loyalist and rabid Lewis haters are running with that.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
65280 posts
Posted on 7/20/21 at 6:40 pm to
"Trying to kill him" is inaccurate. It's more like "didn't care if he died."
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