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Posted on 6/20/21 at 2:25 pm to
Posted by siliconvalleytiger
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Posted on 6/20/21 at 2:25 pm to
My point is exactly that Bottas is just deflecting blame. He’s raging for no reason. 2 stop strategy lands him in the same spot most likely.
Posted by Lsut81
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Posted on 6/20/21 at 3:10 pm to
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My point is exactly that Bottas is just deflecting blame. He’s raging for no reason. 2 stop strategy lands him in the same spot most likely.



Bottas has every right to be pissed… his team never goes along with anything he wants. I remember vividly last year him asking to be out on opposite tires of what they were putting on Ham and they didn’t.

They treat him like dog shite and I’m glad he’s blasting them over radio for all to hear.
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 6/20/21 at 3:47 pm to
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I remember vividly last year him asking to be out on opposite tires of what they were putting on Ham and they didn’t.


Do you remember Bottas having to come in before Hamilton in that race? Because Merc were going to allow Bottas to go on a different strategy if he stayed out after Hamilton. Hamilton went much longer and was able to make the request to stay on the same tires as Bottas. Guy who is out longer gets to dictate his race.
Posted by Lsut81
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Posted on 6/20/21 at 4:05 pm to
Yes and Mercedes even had to address it after the fact and say they overruled Bottas wanting to go on Mediums bc of “tire issues”. So they could have done it, but they chose not to. Hamilton came in the very next lap, so it was all pre determined.

Hamilton didn’t request anything, the team did it.

Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 6/20/21 at 4:51 pm to
I'm speaking of the 2020 Portuguese GP.
This post was edited on 6/20/21 at 4:52 pm
Posted by JoeHackett
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 6/20/21 at 5:03 pm to
He's talking about the Tuscan GP last year at Mugello.

LINK
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 6/20/21 at 5:06 pm to
Sounds like Bottas should have taken care of his tires better.
Posted by JoeHackett
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 6/20/21 at 5:17 pm to
I understand everyone's point but the fact is that Bottas is a #2 driver. He acts like a #2 driver, he drives like a #2 driver and is then treated like a #2 driver.

He could change that I suppose. But he seems content in his position.

I just hate the double standard by the media. They get selectively outraged by some of this stuff and then praise Mercedes for doing the same thing.

Kimi treated like a #2 at Ferrari - media complains
Bottas treated like a #2 at Mercedes - media praise

Massa moves over for Alonso in Germany - media outrage
Bottas moves over for Lewis in Russia - media praise

Overall though I hate Bottas because he drives like a pussy. So I don't care what happens to that guy.
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 6/20/21 at 5:22 pm to
Look at media bias in the eyes of British vs everyone else.

British teams and drivers (and moves benefiting British drivers) get praised more and non-British drivers usually get critiqued harder.

Never really noticed until it was pointed out to me a couple years ago.
Posted by siliconvalleytiger
Bay Area, CA
Member since Apr 2004
31326 posts
Posted on 6/20/21 at 6:06 pm to
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Bottas has every right to be pissed… his team never goes along with anything he wants. I remember vividly last year him asking to be out on opposite tires of what they were putting on Ham and they didn’t.

They treat him like dog shite and I’m glad he’s blasting them over radio for all to hear.


All that being true, he has no basis for complaining about strategy today in this race.
Posted by siliconvalleytiger
Bay Area, CA
Member since Apr 2004
31326 posts
Posted on 6/20/21 at 6:08 pm to
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British teams and drivers (and moves benefiting British drivers) get praised more and non-British drivers usually get critiqued harder.


I recall this in the Damon Hill era. It was hill this and hill that and anything contrary to that was always someone else’s fault. Usually Schumacher.
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 6/20/21 at 8:14 pm to
That was one hell of a race today. I wonder what happened to Ferrari’s race pace.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 6/20/21 at 10:44 pm to
Me too.

What was different about the street circuits?
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78325 posts
Posted on 6/21/21 at 12:49 pm to
Yas Marina reveals its new look



Link to imgur since TD can't get it together on gif videos
imgur
Posted by Kingpenm3
Xanadu
Member since Aug 2011
9915 posts
Posted on 6/21/21 at 1:42 pm to
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Yas Marina reveals its new look



Wow, that looks like it could add 10s a lap.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
29850 posts
Posted on 6/21/21 at 1:55 pm to
At first I thought they didn't touch the third sector, but I see they rounded off some of those 90 degree turns. All-in-all I like the changes. We'll see.
Posted by BloodSweat&Beers
One Particular Harbor, Fl
Member since Jan 2012
9153 posts
Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:03 pm to
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Sounds like Bottas should have taken care of his tires better.


Perez beat him by going slower and being in clean air. That allowed him to save his tires to go extra long on the first stint. Thus the 1 stop strategy worked.

Being in traffic like Max and Bottas following cars, the 2 stop strategy was the better strategy.

Bottas also guess that tire degradation was much more that Merc expected.

Undercut being so strong surprised Merc.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
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Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:04 pm to
That removal of the first chicane should be fun. Kind od remimds me of the COTA hairpin and back stretch.
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
16879 posts
Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:52 pm to


Looks like it will make for much quicker times to me
Posted by Jor Jor The Dinosaur
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2014
7452 posts
Posted on 6/21/21 at 3:54 pm to
For the upcoming Austrian double header, will there be any differences between the two GPs? Minor rule changes, different tire compounds, anything? Or will the 2nd be a carbon copy of the 1st?
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