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re: Formula 1 2020 Season Thread
Posted on 8/7/20 at 11:44 am to Lsut81
Posted on 8/7/20 at 11:44 am to Lsut81
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So one team cannot copy another team? So everything you put on a car has to be unique and designed/produced by your own team?
You're supposed to design your own car but every team in the history of F1 has copied from other teams, including Mercedes. A few years ago Ferrari had a developed sideboard area that no other team had and Mercedes followed very quickly with their own. As did the rest of the grid.
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Can someone explain to me like I”m 5 what the rules are in regards to the racing point ruling? I honestly don’t know the ins and outs
Teams can buy certain parts from other teams. Last year brake ducts were on that list but starting this year teams could no longer buy them. Racing Point bought brake ducts from Mercedes but only the front brake ducts. As part of that purchase the team was supplied with CAD drawings of the parts so that Racing Point could integrate them fully into their aero.
When they saw the design of the rear brake ducts they didn't think they would work with their high rake design and opted to create their own. This year they went to a low rake design and figured they would just use the CAD drawing of Mercedes rear brakes.
Since they used the front brakes last year they were essentially allowed to keep using them this year but needed to design their own rears without the help of any designs from Mercedes.
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Posted on 8/7/20 at 11:54 am to JoeHackett
So in a nutshell:
- Brake ducts were part of “allowed” parts teams could buy/sell last year
- RP bought brake ducts from Mercedes for front and CADs for back
- RP only installed front
- Brake ducts not allowed as parts between teams for 2020
- RP uses CAD’s purchased in 2019 to build rear break ducts and installs on car this year
Front ok because installed prior to this year, back not ok because although bought in year it was ok, they were produced and installed in year that it wasn’t ok
That’s the gist?
- Brake ducts were part of “allowed” parts teams could buy/sell last year
- RP bought brake ducts from Mercedes for front and CADs for back
- RP only installed front
- Brake ducts not allowed as parts between teams for 2020
- RP uses CAD’s purchased in 2019 to build rear break ducts and installs on car this year
Front ok because installed prior to this year, back not ok because although bought in year it was ok, they were produced and installed in year that it wasn’t ok
That’s the gist?
This post was edited on 8/7/20 at 11:55 am
Posted on 8/7/20 at 12:05 pm to Lsut81
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Front ok because installed prior to this year, back not ok because although bought in year it was ok, they were produced and installed in year that it wasn’t ok
That’s the gist?
Pretty much.
Also just to add to some of the confusion, since the rear brake ducts aren't illegal, they can continue to use them this year and next year.
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"The stewards acknowledge that since the RBDs are compliant with the 2020 FIA F1 Technical Regulations it is not realistic to expect Racing Point to re-design or re-engineer the BDs in a way that would effectively require them to "unlearn" what they already know.
"Therefore, the penalty imposed is intended to penalize the potential advantage Racing Point may have accrued in the BD design process which resulted in the use of LPs which were not designed by it."
*LP = Listed Parts or parts that are to be designed by each team.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 12:09 pm to JoeHackett
I wonder if Renault kept another protest in their back pocket. 
Posted on 8/7/20 at 12:33 pm to Lsut81
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That’s the gist?
Yep
Posted on 8/7/20 at 12:35 pm to TheArrogantCorndog
Now... to change the subject
Vettel's engine failed in FP2 just a little while ago
shite. Show.
Vettel's engine failed in FP2 just a little while ago
shite. Show.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 2:43 pm to TheArrogantCorndog
Ferrari coming in hot with the Racing Point appeal
Posted on 8/7/20 at 2:57 pm to TheArrogantCorndog
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Now... to change the subject
Vettel's engine failed in FP2 just a little while ago
shite. Show.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 3:03 pm to TheArrogantCorndog
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Vettel's engine failed in FP2 just a little while ago
shite. Show.
They need to swap out the prancing horse emblem with this:
This post was edited on 8/7/20 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 8/7/20 at 3:06 pm to BottomlandBrew
Ferrari is the biggest clusterfrick of bad luck and bad management I've ever seen.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 3:11 pm to JoeHackett
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Teams can buy certain parts from other teams.
It isn't just from other teams; it's from anyone. Certain parts (deemed "listed parts") must be designed in-house. Others can be purchased from other teams or from third party vendors such as Dallara. Haas in particular buys every part that they can within the rules.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 3:22 pm to VABuckeye
Posted on 8/7/20 at 5:16 pm to southernelite
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Ferrari coming in hot with the Racing Point appeal
Brazen to call for another team to be punished harder after their little cheating scandal was swept under the rug last year. All hush hush
Posted on 8/8/20 at 7:56 am to Lsut81
Time to qualify.... Merc will be 1-2. Based off of P3, Hulk May be able to start in the top 5 
Posted on 8/8/20 at 7:58 am to Lsut81
Bold prediction.
frick this shite.
frick this shite.
Posted on 8/8/20 at 7:58 am to Lsut81
Being a Red Bull fan is an exercise of pure frustration this year.
Posted on 8/8/20 at 8:02 am to southernelite
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Being a Red Bull fan is an exercise of pure frustration this year.
Why, Max has produced.. Albions head is fricked, hopefully they boot him after this season and grab someone else.
Everyone knew Merc would consistently be 1-2 all season.
Posted on 8/8/20 at 8:05 am to Lsut81
Haas going out first so they can get booted and hit the pub early
Posted on 8/8/20 at 8:07 am to Lsut81
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Why, Max has produced.. Albions head is fricked, hopefully they boot him after this season and grab someone else.
Everyone knew Merc would consistently be 1-2 all season.
More of the fact that they were closer to Mercedes last year. Now with Ferrari being even further behind than Red Bull, Max has no shot at winning and no real rivalry.
Posted on 8/8/20 at 8:07 am to Lsut81
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Haas going out first so they can get booted and hit the pub early
Has more laps in the Top 3 than any other Ferrari engined car.....
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