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re: Formula 1 2020 Season Thread

Posted on 7/7/20 at 2:53 pm to
Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
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Posted on 7/7/20 at 2:53 pm to
quote:

What Hamilton did to Albon should have resulted in a 5 second penalty, at the very least. With only 11 laps remaining, He robbed Albon of a podium and Red Bull of constructors points. Therefore I think the penalty should be more severe.


Not to mention its the second time Hamilton has done this to Albon.
Posted by MountainTiger
The foot of Mt. Belzoni
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 7/7/20 at 3:10 pm to
quote:

What you said was "if Albon is more experienced, the crash doesn't happen." That's nonsense.

There's a difference between "the crash was Hamilton's fault" and "the crash could have been avoided by Albon". Both can be true. So it's not nonsense. Albon could have backed off and still gotten Hamilton at a later point, being on faster tires and not nursing a potential gearbox issue. Even though the contact was not his fault, he could have avoided it.
Posted by TheArrogantCorndog
Highland Rd
Member since Sep 2009
15747 posts
Posted on 7/7/20 at 3:10 pm to
Had Albon spun off onto tarmac instead of gravel, and only lost 1 position, instead of dropping to last, do you think that should be equal or less of a penalty to Hamilton??

What if he spun on tarmac runoff area and rejoined not losing any spots??

Would you brush it off as a racing incident??? I would

So yea, the net result after the dust settles, does factor into the penalty...

The same act, with different outcomes, shouldn't be penalized different IMO
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
76403 posts
Posted on 7/7/20 at 3:18 pm to
No.

The penalty is for the infraction not for the result or for what happened 5 years ago. Or at least that is what it should be.

Other factors outside the incident is what points on your super license are for and why penalties can be handed out on top after the race.
This post was edited on 7/7/20 at 3:18 pm
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
76403 posts
Posted on 7/7/20 at 3:24 pm to
quote:

Even though the contact was not his fault, he could have avoided it.


Right. I'm not even blaming Albon for not avoiding it, just saying that the incident cost him his race and that is something that might have been considered when making that move.

While not exactly the same, USA 2018 is a good example of HAM keeping distance to preserve his race (and the championship).
Posted by tyler925
Auburn
Member since Oct 2019
2328 posts
Posted on 7/7/20 at 3:59 pm to
Alonso is back with Renault Next year

LINK
Posted by geauxturbo
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2007
4385 posts
Posted on 7/7/20 at 4:01 pm to
quote:

Albon could have backed off and still gotten Hamilton at a later point, being on faster tires and not nursing a potential gearbox issue.


Yeah, its nonsense. For one, it was a well set up and executed pass by Albon. Two, Hamilton knew he was there.
Had Albon showed up late or dive-bombed the corner I could see the argument. Albon was there for the entire corner. Hamilton should've avoided acting like a brat and not drove into Albon's car on corner exit. I guess Albon and the field could just pass on straights only and avoid any future incidents. That would be exciting!

Albon's advantage wasn't going to last forever and he still needed to get in front of Bottas and add some space while the advantage lasted. You just don't pass up an easy opportunity to move into p2 and gap the guy in the upcoming corners.

Well, Hamilton has 6 penalty points at the half way point, so maybe he'll drive with a little more level head from here on out. Cost himself a podium as well. I'd say Hamilton looked like one driving with limited experience. Vettel as well. What was that bomb he tried on T3?
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
76403 posts
Posted on 7/7/20 at 4:36 pm to
quote:

What was that bomb he tried on T3?


He said that he didn't expect the door to be closed.

No penalty for that move either.
Posted by TheArrogantCorndog
Highland Rd
Member since Sep 2009
15747 posts
Posted on 7/7/20 at 5:19 pm to
quote:

The penalty is for the infraction not for the result or for what happened 5 years ago. Or at least that is what it should be.


I 100% agree with this

As was my point earlier, F1 and FIA have a bad habit of using results of infractions as basis for penalties instead of the infraction itself
Posted by MountainTiger
The foot of Mt. Belzoni
Member since Dec 2008
14912 posts
Posted on 7/7/20 at 11:17 pm to
quote:

Had Albon showed up late or dive-bombed the corner I could see the argument.

I don't think you even understand the argument. Nobody is blaming Albon for making the move. All we're saying is that a more mature driver might have let that one go and tried it in a different spot because they know that HAM is a brat. Was Albon in the right to make the move? Sure, of course he was. Did it cost him his race? Yup.
Posted by WildcatMike
Lexington, KY
Member since Dec 2005
43750 posts
Posted on 7/8/20 at 7:34 am to
What? Alonso coming back with Renault. F1 is going to be crazy next year.
Posted by theone
LSU
Member since Nov 2005
2097 posts
Posted on 7/8/20 at 12:06 pm to
Will buxton on twitter suggesting seat changes might happen early and towards the back end of this year.

I’m inclined to say no but depending on what the schedule looks like and development to next year, maybe.

Last three races could have:

Carlos taking Seb spot
Ric to Mclaren
Alo to Renault

Assume this would have to be at no loss to any of the teams in the constructor championship. Guess they would eat the cost if they see the benefit for next year.
Posted by WildcatMike
Lexington, KY
Member since Dec 2005
43750 posts
Posted on 7/8/20 at 1:52 pm to
Where is Seb going? Replacing Kimi? Would Stroll ditch his own son for Racing Point? (Not getting rid of Checo, brings waaaaaaay to much money for the team.
Posted by theone
LSU
Member since Nov 2005
2097 posts
Posted on 7/8/20 at 2:54 pm to
Good question

Love to see him next to Max but that isn't going to happen

Darkhorse of Haas? RoGro must go!
Posted by geauxturbo
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2007
4385 posts
Posted on 7/8/20 at 3:30 pm to
quote:

don't think you even understand the argument. Nobody is blaming Albon for making the move. All we're saying is that a more mature driver might have let that one go and tried it in a different spot because they know that HAM is a brat. Was Albon in the right to make the move? Sure, of course he was. Did it cost him his race? Yup.



No, I completely understand the lack of argument. I don't think you really understand how hard it is to pass a very good driver in a very good car at the Redbull Ring. And the move did not cost Albon the race, Hamilton cost Albon the race.

A mature driver absolutely makes the move right there. You don't waste time dilly dallying behind a slower car as P1 scampers off down the track. 10 laps isn't a lot of time at Redbull at 1:04 a lap? Its not like 10 laps at Suzuka. And its not like he's passing lap traffic, its Lewis Hamilton in the top car in F1. You don't wait around hoping for the Red Sea to part. Again, the move did not cost Albon the race, LH did.

Posted by southernelite
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2009
53561 posts
Posted on 7/8/20 at 4:39 pm to
quote:

A mature driver absolutely makes the move right there. You don't waste time dilly dallying behind a slower car as P1 scampers off down the track. 10 laps isn't a lot of time at Redbull at 1:04 a lap? Its not like 10 laps at Suzuka. And its not like he's passing lap traffic, its Lewis Hamilton in the top car in F1. You don't wait around hoping for the Red Sea to part. Again, the move did not cost Albon the race, LH did.


Also, when you drive for Red Bull, they want you to be aggressive. They made it clear last year when they demoted Gasly and promoted Albon they wanted him to be aggressive behind the wheel.
Posted by Skeet Mc
Member since Dec 2006
2947 posts
Posted on 7/8/20 at 8:17 pm to
Why would you want to replace Albon with Seb? Albon seems to be improving and Seb seems to be on a downward curve. Plus, he was a pissy diva with LeClerc, he would be completely unhinged with Max.
Posted by WildcatMike
Lexington, KY
Member since Dec 2005
43750 posts
Posted on 7/8/20 at 10:32 pm to
?

Either Seb is replacing Kimi, Stroll or sitting it out for a year.

Posted by TheNolaClap
Jersey Shore (not fist pump)
Member since Jun 2012
1526 posts
Posted on 7/9/20 at 7:13 am to
I think Seb will sit out the year, enjoy some time and get the itch back to race.
Posted by xtremecouture23
Pineville
Member since Sep 2010
1026 posts
Posted on 7/9/20 at 7:15 am to
Rumors going around that if Albon struggles he would take Kvyat spot and Seb would partner with Max. Wouldn’t surprise me considering how disappointed Red Bull were with Gasly early on last year.
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