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re: Former Oregon State pitcher Luke Heimlich reportedly signs with Mexican league team

Posted on 3/7/19 at 10:45 am to
Posted by Smart Post
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 10:45 am to
Is he your buddy? Ay caramba.

Edit: Apparently not.
This post was edited on 3/7/19 at 10:58 am
Posted by xiv
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 10:47 am to
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This is not true. He let his offender registration lapse and thats how it came to light.
Not true. LINK ]From the SI article:

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Seemingly, Heimlich, who lived off-campus, had fulfilled his duty: At the time Oregon State had no rule requiring enrolling off-campus students—or athletes with or without scholarships—to declare criminal felony convictions or, specifically, sex offenses. The state police maintains Oregon's sex registry. Once notified by local police that a student has registered as a sex offender, it follows a courtesy agreement with OSU to alert its Department of Public Safety. In Heimlich's case such information would filter to select athletic department personnel.

"As far as what I needed to do, I needed to tell Benton County and then they send the information to the university," Heimlich said. "And that's what happened."

Not quite. Because of what state police spokesman Tim Fox calls, "essentially, a clerical error" by both the state police and the Corvallis PD, and a series of unreturned phone calls and mail notifications that were marked undeliverable, 18 months passed before Oregon state police first notified the university of Heimlich's sex offender status. Corvallis PD failed to fingerprint Heimlich when he first appeared, Fox says, and without positive identification Oregon state police could not add him to its sex offender registry.
Heimlich reported, and the state failed to follow up. That's why his registration expired.
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I find it odd you're taking up for a child molester too.
No, it's people like you who get off on stories like these and pounce on the "molester" label before knowing all the facts. Experts in this field will tell you that about 50% of juveniles who enter plea deals like Heimlich's are innocent and simply want to keep their cases confidential so that people like you don't hear about them.

You don't know if he's guilty or not, and you never will. Both Heimlich and his alleged victim and their entire family were wronged by the state of Oregon here.
Posted by LSUintheNW
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 10:47 am to
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Without that, his records request would have never turned up the case.


Just ignore my post that shows a link and the fact that you're clearly wrong.

You could ask for a records request and nothing will come back.....now, but not then because it wasn't sealed. Not all juvenile cases in WA are sealed. This was one of them.

In Oregon all are sealed.
Posted by TigerChief10
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 10:49 am to
He shouldn't have missed his registration.

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As a teenager, Heimlich pleaded guilty to a single charge of sexually molesting a 6-year-old female family member. Heimlich registered as a sex offender in Benton County after arriving at Oregon State. When he was cited in April for missing an annual update, it put the case in Oregon court records for the first time.


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Posted by Ross
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 10:49 am to
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Experts in this field will tell you that about 50% of juveniles who enter plea deals like Heimlich's are innocent and simply want to keep their cases confidential so that people like you don't hear about them. You don't know if he's guilty or not, and you never will. Both Heimlich and his alleged victim and their entire family were wronged by the state of Oregon here.


If you aren’t an attorney you missed your calling in life.

But I do have to ask if you have a citation on your claim that 50 percent of these plea deals involve innocent parties. That is not an intuitive statement and my instinct would tell me to be skeptical of it.
Posted by theGarnetWay
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 10:53 am to
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we'll never know if he did anything wrong, a


Uh..except the part where he admitted to doing something wrong.

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He has since insisted he is actually innocent, despite having signed a document that said, “I admit that I had sexual contact” with his niece, who told investigators that he “touched her on both the inside and outside of the spot she uses to go to the bathroom,” according to The Oregonian.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 10:54 am to
I wanted LSU to tee off on that guy so badly last year.

Too bad we couldn’t.
Posted by LSUintheNW
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 10:54 am to
mobile LINK

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I have taken responsibility for my conduct when I was a teenager. As a 16 year old, I was placed on juvenile court probation and ordered to participate in an individual counseling program. I'm grateful for the counseling I received


For someone who says they've claimed being innocent all along that's a terrible way to start a statement.


Posted by xiv
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 10:54 am to
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So what part of “plead guilty to sexually molesting a six year old” requires specification before we can form an educated opinion?
Consider a main factor facing Heimlich at the time of the accusation. He could plead his innocence, at which point his family would be destroyed by a years-long disgusting court case, or he could plead guilty, at which point the case ends, the facts remain confidential since he's a juvenile, and he has to follow some ground rules for the next several years (stay away from kids, report to state officials every so often, etc), and then everything goes away.

In cases like these, it isn't uncommon for an innocent juvenile to plead guilty for these reasons. Heimlich may or may not be innocent, and we'll never know unless he were to confess to something. He abided by the rules of his plea, but the state of Oregon failed to follow up on paperwork to the state of Washington, resulting in a technical violation of the plea by Heimlich, causing the case to become public record.

If Heimlich is innocent, this is incredibly unfortunate for him. Whether he's innocent or guilty, this is also unfortunate for the alleged victim and her family. Both parties agreed to this plea deal specifically so the rest of the world wouldn't know about it, and the state violated that confidentiality.
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 10:56 am to
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Uh..except the part where he admitted to doing something wrong.

Look up Brian Banks

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In the summer of 2002, Banks was arrested and charged after classmate Wanetta Gibson falsely accused him of dragging her into a stairway at Polytechnic High School (Poly) and raping her. Faced with a possible 41 years to life sentence, he accepted a plea deal that included five years in prison, five years of probation, and registering as a sex offender. Wanetta Gibson and her mother Wanda Rhodes sued the Long Beach Unified School District, claiming the Poly campus was not a safe environment, and won a $1.5 million settlement.[17][18] Banks says that the lawyer said that by pleading guilty he would receive probation, but no jail time.[19]


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In March 2011, Gibson contacted Banks on Facebook, met with him, and admitted in the presence of an attorney that she had fabricated the story. Banks secretly recorded Gibson's confession, but she later refused to tell prosecutors that she had lied so she wouldn't have to return the money she and her family had won in court.[18]


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The video evidence was not admissible in court, because the video had been made without Gibson's knowledge or consent and was not accompanied by a signed confession from the young woman. However, CIP was instrumental in putting together additional evidence supporting Banks’ story, which led the district attorney to dismiss all charges against him on May 24, 2012. He was also released from sex-offender status, allowing him to resume his aborted sports career
Posted by LSUintheNW
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 10:57 am to
This post was edited on 3/7/19 at 10:58 am
Posted by xiv
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 10:59 am to
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But I do have to ask if you have a citation on your claim that 50 percent of these plea deals involve innocent parties. That is not an intuitive statement and my instinct would tell me to be skeptical of it.
Understandable. Here's another exerpt from the piece....

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Among experts on juvenile sex offenders, the disconnect between the two Lukes is not surprising. "Either the kid didn't do it or he did it and he's in some form of denial: Neither one is unusual," said Carolyn Frazier, a juvenile defense lawyer and assistant professor at Northwestern's School of Law. "To be innocent and plead guilty to something is not unusual." She then quoted a line from a national columnist's February condemnation of Heimlich and OSU: If you were absolutely innocent—as Heimlich contended—how many of you would plead guilty to felony child molestation simply to avoid trial? Thought so.

Frazier sighed. "That's another instance where, if you're a practitioner in this world, you're ripping your hair out," she said. "I'm, like, Dude, this happens all the time."
After first reading the piece when it first was published, I looked up Frazier, and somewhere she said "about half the time" when talking about this kind of stuff. I'm having trouble finding that essay/speech, so I understand if you take it with a grain of salt. But, she knows as much as anyone about this kind of stuff, and she says that such a false guilty plea isn't unusual, and all the necessary ingredients of a false plea are present in this case.
Posted by theGarnetWay
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 11:01 am to
Yes. False accusations of sexual assault happen and it is horrible when they do.

But if you think an unrelated classmate in high school accusing rape is the same as someone's 6-year old niece accusing their uncle of touching them is the same then I don't know what else to tell you.
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 11:03 am to
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Yes. False accusations of sexual assault happen and it is horrible when they do.

But if you think an unrelated classmate in high school accusing rape is the same as someone's 6-year old niece accusing their uncle of touching them is the same then I don't know what else to tell you.
What?

I simply responded to the point you were inferring that "innocent people dont take pleas and admit to things they didnt do"


Brian Banks also "admitted to rape"
This post was edited on 3/7/19 at 11:04 am
Posted by LSUintheNW
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 11:04 am to
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lsupride87


No response to you being completely wrong about his case not sealed?
This post was edited on 3/7/19 at 11:05 am
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 11:05 am to
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No response to you being completely wrong about his being not sealed?
I wasnt


The reporter never would have been able to get her hands on the case until the clerical error by the state of Oregon
Posted by theGarnetWay
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 11:06 am to
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What?

I simply responded to the point you were inferring that "innocent people dont take pleas and admit to things they didnt do"


Brian Banks also "admitted to rape"




And your implying that's what happened here? Do you think the 6 year old girl made up the fact that her uncle was touching her and her uncle was willing to please guilty to child molestation just to avoid a trial?
Posted by LSUintheNW
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 11:07 am to
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simply responded to the point you were inferring that "innocent people dont take pleas and admit to things they didnt do"



We've been here before.

41 years compared to a possible 40 weeks isn't a good comparison.

Banks had zero choice if he wanted to see the light of day again without it being behind bars or a fence.

The only reason I agree slightly is the sex offender for life tag. Not because of 40 fricking weeks.
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 11:07 am to
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And your implying that's what happened here
No, I am simply saying it happens and it isnt even all that uncommon

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Do you think the 6 year old girl made up the fact that her uncle was touching her and her uncle was willing to please guilty to child molestation just to avoid a trial?
I think its possible, yes
Posted by LSUintheNW
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 11:08 am to
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I wasnt


Ah, so my link wasn't good enough for you. Ok, lie to yourself. I don't care.

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