re: Football Outsiders: Colin Kaepernick is definitely being blackballed by the NFL

quote:

---

You can argue Kap is better. I would argue that they are both pretty terrible, but like someone explained above the Browns got a 2nd round pick to pick up Osweiler's contract. They are going to suck with either so why would they pay Kap along with Osweiler ignoring the PR stuff they have to deal with? The best players aren't signed all the time this is no different with strictly football ops logic behind it.

---

Exactly. They might go 3-13 with Kaepernick as opposed to 2-14 with Osweiler. They'll be in last place either way.

We aren't exactly talking about someone who could come in and make them a contender right away.

Everyone knows that 2nd rounder was included to sweeten the deal because Osweiler is such an inefficient QB who can't even throw more TDs than INTs on a DIVISION WINNER. Kap was 16-4 TD/INT ratio on a sucky team, the jokes on the Browns oooh they received a 2nd rounder like the Pats receiving a 1st rounder in a trade like it means something, that piece likely won't amount to shiit for Cleveland.

So you're further proving my point this is a prime example of the Browns' ineptitude when they could've acquired Kap for the same asking price and he would've included a running element to maybe alleviate some of those Browns' struggles and are therefore ensuring their continued position as a bottom-feeder relative to the fact Kap led a full-fledged team to the SUPER BOWL? Awesome, great job bro killing the game.

quote:

---

Everyone knows that 2nd rounder was included to sweeten the deal because Osweiler is such an inefficient QB who can't even throw more TDs than INTs on a DIVISION WINNER

---

Yeah I don't think the Browns tried to keep that a secret.

quote:

---

Browns oooh they received a 2nd rounder like the Pats receiving a 1st rounder in a trade like it means something, that piece likely won't amount to shiit for Cleveland.

---

Completely irrelevant.

Look you can argue that Kap is a good QB, though I would think the super majority disagrees with you. The fact is the Browns have nothing and are going to be terrible either way. If Kap and Osweiler were the only two options why would you sign Kap to a deal that probably overvalues him? You at least get a good draft pick by taking on Osweiler's contract.

My point is that the Browns currently suck and the Osweiler trade was horrific compared to simply obtaining Kap who might perform better and more efficiently than Sad-Sack Brock, not like 11-5 level but that trade was simply awful and ensures their position at rock bottom in the league.

quote:

---

This is the same N.Y. City that is notoriously liberal.

---

that doesn't mean the fans are.

Most progressives couldn't give a shite about sports. Saving the world is more important

quote:

---

My point is that the Browns currently suck and the Osweiler trade was horrific compared to simply obtaining Kap who might perform better and more efficiently than Sad-Sack Brock, not like 11-5 level but that trade was simply awful and ensures their position at rock bottom in the league.

---

So you'd rather miss the playoffs with Kap and get the 11th overall pick than be terrible with Osweiler get the 3rd pick and an extra second round pick?

ETA: assuming Kap plays as well as he can and they can actually win 6 or 7 games which I personally don't think he can do.

quote:

---

Kap was 16-4 TD/INT

---

he was also 2-14. Everyone hates the QB win loss stat but isn't that the point of the QB? To win the game by passing?

quote:

---

Kaepernick easily compensates for that with his performance ie 16/4 TD/INT ratio, 7 YPC, and 91 passer rating but you're too busy not looking at relevant stats to concede as such, one 2ND ROUND draft pick doesn't mean SHIIT when attached to a wildly inefficient QB who was carried by an ELITE DEFENSE IE TRENT DILFER-ESQUE. I'd want the ACTUALLY GOOD QB for the same price my "smart" gentleman.

---

Once again, they didn't take Osweiler to be their QB of the future. Kapernick would definitely not make this Browns team a contender. He's also too old to groom as their QB of the future.

They did not acquire Osweiler + pick under the assumption that he'd be some massive QB upgrade who could take them to the playoffs. They made the acquistion strictly for the pick. When you have as many holes as the Browns do in their roster, a second round pick is valuable.

What are you missing here? Or do you actually think Kaepernick could make this Browns team a playoff contender?

You seem to be a big time stats guy. Blake Bortles threw 35 TDs two years ago and is on his last legs in Jacksonville. Stats can be deceiving sometimes.

No one in this thread has ever said that Osweiler is good. He's terrible. Everyone knows that.

quote:

---

Kaepernick easily compensates for that with his performance ie 16/4 TD/INT ratio, 7 YPC, and 91 passer rating but you're too busy not looking at relevant stats to concede as such, one 2ND ROUND draft pick doesn't mean SHIIT when attached to a wildly inefficient QB who was carried by an ELITE DEFENSE IE TRENT DILFER-ESQUE. I'd want the ACTUALLY GOOD QB for the same price my "smart" gentleman.

---

If you think Kap is a good enough QB to be the franchise guy then we'll just have to agree to disagree. Whether he's better or not than Osweiler is a mute point to me because the Browns would be awful with either one.

Secondly, a second round pick is a pretty damn big deal. Most teams have to give guys away that they want to trade. Good players are traded for 6th round picks regularly.