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Posted on 9/3/23 at 9:46 am to chRxis
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shite, i wish we would have sent AT LEAST the B team...
this is more like the D team...
We lost this game on the boards. Who do you have as the top USA big guys who didn't get on this team?
Honestly, the team could have benefited from a KJ Williams type of player.
This post was edited on 9/3/23 at 9:48 am
Posted on 9/3/23 at 9:47 am to The Egg
Imo Antony Edwards is A team, a real star.
Ingram is playing poorly this tournament but is a B team guy based on resume , Brunson is B team, Halliburton is B team, Bridges is B team, and same with Jaren Jackson Jr. Honestly Jackson may be even be A team because of our lack of bigs.
Banchero is C team but intriguing because he’s so young.
Bobby Portis is not A, B, C, or even M team
but he is very useful because of his intensity. Austin Reaves is also very useful against most teams because of his skill level.
Josh Hart, Cam Johnson, Walker Kessler…well, thank you for being available. Hart is better than the others.
Ingram is playing poorly this tournament but is a B team guy based on resume , Brunson is B team, Halliburton is B team, Bridges is B team, and same with Jaren Jackson Jr. Honestly Jackson may be even be A team because of our lack of bigs.
Banchero is C team but intriguing because he’s so young.
Bobby Portis is not A, B, C, or even M team
but he is very useful because of his intensity. Austin Reaves is also very useful against most teams because of his skill level. Josh Hart, Cam Johnson, Walker Kessler…well, thank you for being available. Hart is better than the others.
Posted on 9/3/23 at 9:51 am to Roaad
The US defensive intensity was very good, especially from Edwards and Bridges.
One of the quirks of the basketball revolution of the last decade or so in the NBA is how players in general are so much thinner and have a different skill set than 20 years ago.
It’s how this team shoots 60 percent from the field, hits half their threes, and gets out rebounded by nearly everyone.
I mean LeBron is the second or third heaviest guy in the NBA these days. I bet he wouldn’t have been top 30 in the 80s or 90s.
The weaknesses of US basketball are so different from when I was a kid.
One of the quirks of the basketball revolution of the last decade or so in the NBA is how players in general are so much thinner and have a different skill set than 20 years ago.
It’s how this team shoots 60 percent from the field, hits half their threes, and gets out rebounded by nearly everyone.
I mean LeBron is the second or third heaviest guy in the NBA these days. I bet he wouldn’t have been top 30 in the 80s or 90s.
The weaknesses of US basketball are so different from when I was a kid.
Posted on 9/3/23 at 10:02 am to mmcgrath
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International basketball caught up a while ago. Can't just send the B team anymore.
To be fair it'd be basically impossible to send our A team anymore, when most of our Alist guys are from other countries.
Jokic, Luka, Giannis, Embiid. Heck, even Shai.
But yea beside Anthony Edwards, this is a squad full of C, D, E, and F team players.
This post was edited on 9/3/23 at 10:08 am
Posted on 9/3/23 at 10:06 am to Keys Open Doors
quote:It was masked. Even the original Dream Team had Olajuwan and Patrick Ewing on it. After that they survived with Shaq and Mourning (even lost with him) but were very thin beyond that.
The weaknesses of US basketball are so different from when I was a kid.
Posted on 9/3/23 at 10:06 am to Keys Open Doors
quote:Zone defenses do that to you
One of the quirks of the basketball revolution of the last decade or so in the NBA is how players in general are so much thinner and have a different skill set than 20 years ago.
Being able to double people without the ball made the usefulness of the big banger near null
You have to have a slim athletic big to pull traps away from the basket.
Ridding us of hand checking and physical defense did the rest
Posted on 9/3/23 at 10:06 am to mmcgrath
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Who do you have as the top USA big guys who didn't get on this team?
Embiid, Tatum, and Bam Adebayo would be awfully nice to have right now... shite, i'd kill to have Aaron Gordon on the squad, even he's an upgrade in a lot of ways
with the exception of Edwards and Banchero, i don't feel like any of those guys couldn't be upgraded by another player sitting on their couch right now...
Kessler? Cam Johnson? these guys REALLY the best we could come up with?
This post was edited on 9/3/23 at 10:09 am
Posted on 9/3/23 at 10:12 am to chRxis
Halliburton and Bridges are very solid and may even be in Paris.
Of second tier players that would have been helpful, the ones that come to mind first are Wendell Carter Jr and Jarrett Allen.
Obviously Adebayo and Embiid, but I’m not talking about A listers.
Of second tier players that would have been helpful, the ones that come to mind first are Wendell Carter Jr and Jarrett Allen.
Obviously Adebayo and Embiid, but I’m not talking about A listers.
Posted on 9/3/23 at 10:13 am to Roaad
Agreed. I’m just referring to international basketball where you end up with Austin Reaves and Mikal Bridges guarding a guy like Montejunas who didn’t really last in the NBA
Posted on 9/3/23 at 10:30 am to Roaad
Big lumbering guys work in zones (defensively at least).
The reason you don't see those guys in the NBA today is because they cannot play defense against the modern pick and roll concepts and pace. When Ben Wallace was exposed it changed everything and that's how Roy hibbert went from an All-Star and starter on a new finals team to out of the rotation in one off season
The reason you don't see those guys in the NBA today is because they cannot play defense against the modern pick and roll concepts and pace. When Ben Wallace was exposed it changed everything and that's how Roy hibbert went from an All-Star and starter on a new finals team to out of the rotation in one off season
Posted on 9/3/23 at 10:34 am to QJenk
“most of our Alist guys are from other countries.”
Lol then those aren’t our (USA) a list guys. They’re from other countries
USA a list
Curry
Booker
Durant
LeBron
Bam
AD
Tatum
Butler
Morant
Draymond
Jjj
And I’d include Ant in there too
The guys you listed are at the top of the nba, but all from different countries with no other star depth. The USA is still by far the most loaded country
Edit: and if Zion ever gets his shite together he’d obviously be in that list too
Lol then those aren’t our (USA) a list guys. They’re from other countries
USA a list
Curry
Booker
Durant
LeBron
Bam
AD
Tatum
Butler
Morant
Draymond
Jjj
And I’d include Ant in there too
The guys you listed are at the top of the nba, but all from different countries with no other star depth. The USA is still by far the most loaded country
Edit: and if Zion ever gets his shite together he’d obviously be in that list too
This post was edited on 9/3/23 at 10:36 am
Posted on 9/3/23 at 11:02 am to LSUtwolves
I don’t get Kerr not playing Cam Johnson more. He’s their best 3 point shooter by far and he’s not a liability on defense.
To me Kerr has no idea how to use this roster
To me Kerr has no idea how to use this roster
Posted on 9/3/23 at 11:10 am to boXerrumble
He was very good in the warm up games but has been the worst player on the team in the World Cup.
He was shooting something abysmal like 20 percent while everyone else was at 50 and higher.
Given the roster, and that’s a huge caveat, I think he has distributed the minutes about as well as possible. Especially when you factor in that Jaren Jackson fouls so damn much.
My only complaint was relying on Austin Reaves too much today when he was a defensive liability (and Anthony Edwards was really good on offense).
The loss really made the US path easier.
By losing, the US plays Italy and then either German or Latvia.
If they had won, they would have played Serbia and then either Slovenia or Canada.
Talk about a break.
He was shooting something abysmal like 20 percent while everyone else was at 50 and higher.
Given the roster, and that’s a huge caveat, I think he has distributed the minutes about as well as possible. Especially when you factor in that Jaren Jackson fouls so damn much.
My only complaint was relying on Austin Reaves too much today when he was a defensive liability (and Anthony Edwards was really good on offense).
The loss really made the US path easier.
By losing, the US plays Italy and then either German or Latvia.
If they had won, they would have played Serbia and then either Slovenia or Canada.
Talk about a break.
Posted on 9/3/23 at 12:08 pm to chRxis
quote:Embiid was born in Cameroon. I think he might have very recently gotten US citizenship, but I doubt he ever plays internationally at this age with all his injuries.
Embiid, Tatum, and Bam Adebayo would be awfully nice to have right now
Posted on 9/3/23 at 4:17 pm to mmcgrath
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I think he might have very recently gotten US citizenship
he did, and no doubt he'd play for the US... you may be right about the international play though...
still, point remains, we have much better players than what we are trotting out there, and it's time they get some pride and play for their country... i'd KILL to be able to represent my country in basketball... the opportunity of a lifetime, IMO
Posted on 9/5/23 at 8:30 am to chRxis
Well, in the most predictable thing to happen, Lithuania lost by 19 and scored 68 points in their quarterfinal match.
Meanwhile the US is up 46-24 at halftime over Italy
If I was a gambling degenerate, I definitely would have put a couple hundred down for those to happen. So predictable.
The downside to not being a gambling degenerate is I’m no richer now, just enjoying a good game in the morning.
Meanwhile the US is up 46-24 at halftime over Italy
If I was a gambling degenerate, I definitely would have put a couple hundred down for those to happen. So predictable.
The downside to not being a gambling degenerate is I’m no richer now
, just enjoying a good game in the morning.Posted on 9/5/23 at 8:55 am to Keys Open Doors
73-36
Refs just gave Ingram a flagrant for Nicolo Melli trying to block his dunk with his face
Refs just gave Ingram a flagrant for Nicolo Melli trying to block his dunk with his face
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:13 am to Keys Open Doors
Beating the brakes off of Italy. Nice to see them responding well after a loss.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:13 am to Keys Open Doors
On the court right now for the USA:
Reaves
Hart
Cam Johnson
Banchero
Kessler
Those 5 wouldn't be a playoff team in the NBA, and i say that really liking all 5 of those guys, but we have way too many regular nba players on this team and not enough elite talent on the team.
Reaves
Hart
Cam Johnson
Banchero
Kessler
Those 5 wouldn't be a playoff team in the NBA, and i say that really liking all 5 of those guys, but we have way too many regular nba players on this team and not enough elite talent on the team.
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