Started By
Message

re: Fact or Fiction? tNCAA Tournament crowns undeserving teams as champions

Posted on 4/3/18 at 1:33 pm to
Posted by rockchlkjayhku11
Cincinnati, OH
Member since Aug 2006
36450 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 1:33 pm to
quote:

College football does it the right way bc the regular season matters.

the only sport association on the planet that i can think that has undefeated teams unable to compete for a national title "does it the right way"? get the absolute frick out of here
Posted by rockchlkjayhku11
Cincinnati, OH
Member since Aug 2006
36450 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 1:37 pm to
quote:

The main problem with the tourney isn't really crowning the champion but so much importance being placed on "Sweet Sixteen" or "Elite Eight" in evaluating whether teams or coaches are "successful".

people are dumb. they form opinions and refuse to change them even though data changes. way too much emphasis has always been placed on the tournament when evaluating coaches, and bad hires have been made because of it.

i've posted this 100 times over the course of the tournament but it can't be said enough, the best coaches in the country do fantastic in both the regular season and the tournament.

the top 5 tournament coaches are K, roy, cal, self, and izzo. those are also the top 5 regular season coaches. it's not a coincidence.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59104 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 2:06 pm to
quote:

What’s the point for Virginia to win the acc and finish the regular season with 2 losses when their reward was almost identical to a shitty arse Syracuse team. The only difference is Syracuse played a slightly better team in the first round of the NCAA tournament.


Well going into this year 1 seeds were what 160-0 in round 1? Compare that to 11 seeds and I’d say UVA got more than a slightly lesser team.

Anyway i definitely prefer the Champ to be 1 of the elite teams and for its flaws the NCAA tournament does that a lot better than most probably realize. Villanova makes 21 times since 1985 a 1 seed has won another 9 have been 2 or 3 seeds. Sure you can get a “lesser” team, the 2014 UConn-UK game is the worst but only 3 times since 1985 has lower than 6 seed won and only 1 since 88. No system is perfect and overall the NCAA is a pretty good result way more often than not.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59104 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 2:09 pm to
quote:

That's not really something to aspire to. College football does it the right way bc the regular season matters.


That ceased to be true in 2011.

quote:

Were they not at worst the undisputed #3 in 2011?

Sure but they lost at home to LSU, if the “regular season mattered” they should not get a rematch.
This post was edited on 4/4/18 at 7:23 am
Posted by VinegarStrokes
Georgia
Member since Oct 2015
13295 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 2:51 pm to
quote:

its better than having the best team all 6 months and then being swept out in 4 days


Not really.

With the unbalanced schedules, there's no telling who the best teams are coming out of the regular season.

If you can't win a 5 or 7 game series, then so be it, but that's more than enough games to determin who advances.

The only true way to determine a champion in any sport is to have balanced/equivalent schedules and no playoff or tournament of any kind. Every single playoff or tournament in existence is based off of small sample size results.
Posted by Roaad
White Privilege Broker
Member since Aug 2006
76472 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 9:09 pm to
quote:

There are still teams close to .500 that make the playoffs in those leagues.
Yeah, regular season is garbage in both those leagues.

But the playoff format chooses legit champ.

You can miraculously outplay someone for a game. If you beat them best of 7, you are just better.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
80065 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 11:36 pm to
quote:

The main issue is that the top few teams get no special privileges- no bye, no home court games, etc.


That's a false statement.

Seeds 1-4 are placed as close to their home arena as possible all the way through the regional final.

Let's examine this using the NCAA Tournament of 2018:

South Regional (Atlanta, GA)

1-Seed Virginia: Charlotte, NC
2-Seed Cincinnati: Nashville, TN
3-Seed Tennessee: Dallas, TX
4-Seed Arizona: Boise, ID

Only Tennessee was not placed in the closest opening weekend site to their home location and that was due to Cincinnati as the higher seed getting the closer draw. Had Virginia actually advanced, they would have been closer to the regional final than any of the other top seeds.

East Regional (Boston, MA)

1-Seed Villanova: Pittsburgh, PA
2-Seed Purdue: Detroit, MI
3-Seed Texas Tech: Dallas, TX
4-Seed Wichita State: San Diego, CA

Only Wichita State wasn't placed in the closest location to their home, but they were bumped in favor of a higher seed.

Midwest Regional (Omaha, NE)

1-Seed Kansas: Wichita, KS
2-Seed Duke: Pittsburgh, PA
3-Seed Michigan State: Detroit, MI
4-Seed Auburn: San Diego, CA

Only Auburn wasn't placed closest to their home due to higher seeds.

West Regional (Los Angeles, CA)

1-Seed Xavier: Nashville, TN
2-Seed North Carolina: Charlotte, NC
3-Seed Michigan: Wichita, KS
4-Seed Gonzaga: Boise, ID

Here you could make a case that Gonzaga was given a potential advantage over the #1 seed had they both made the Sweet 16. However, at this point, Xavier was the last #1 seed and was seeded lower than Virginia, Villanova and Kansas.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
80065 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 11:39 pm to
quote:

Sure but they lost at home, if the “regular season mattered” they should not get a rematch.


Since the BCS began, only two National Champions with at least one loss went undefeated at home that season.

2003 LSU lost to Florida at home
2007 LSU lost to Arkansas at home
2008 Florida lost to Ole Miss at home
2011 Alabama lost to LSU at home
2012 Alabama lost to Texas A&M at home
2014 Ohio State lost to Virginia Tech at home
2015 Alabama lost to Ole Miss at home
2016 Clemson lost to Pittsburgh at home

2006 Florida lost to Auburn on the road
2017 Alabama lost to Auburn on the road
Posted by CRDNLSCHMCPSN11
Member since Dec 2014
17269 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 11:43 pm to
Sure, but by having longer series the playoffs are drug out for 2 months in some leagues.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59104 posts
Posted on 4/4/18 at 7:21 am to
quote:

Since the BCS began, only two National Champions with at least one loss went undefeated at home that season.


Yes I guess ii should have been a little more clear but i thought most would understand. Of the undefeated teams that won the NC
1998 Tennessee
1999 Florida St
2000 OU
2001 Miami
2002 tOSU
2004 USC
2005 Texas
2009 Alabama
How many had a rematch against a top 10 team they beat on the road?
It’s the rematch element that renders the cliche “ever game matters” false in that case. Though thinking about it Florida State going to the BCSCG over Miami in 2000 despite Miami beating them and also going 11-1 was really the first time that “ever game matters” was not so
This post was edited on 4/4/18 at 7:30 am
Posted by Baloo
Formerly MDGeaux
Member since Sep 2003
49645 posts
Posted on 4/4/18 at 9:52 am to
Really, its not the rematch that makes 2011 so radical, its the lack of a conference title. The BCS had been allowing teams without a conference title into the title game already, but none of them had won yet. When Bama won, it was the first team to win the national title while failing to win its conference title since World War II.

And the floodgates opened. Conference titles don't mean anything anymore. Which is patently absurd. But if you make an argument against a team making the playoffs because they failed to win their conference, no one remotely takes that argument seriously.
first pageprev pagePage 6 of 6Next pagelast page
refresh

Back to top
logoFollow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News
Follow us on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram to get the latest updates on LSU Football and Recruiting.

FacebookTwitterInstagram