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re: European Soccer question....Attendance related...
Posted on 3/6/14 at 7:55 am to engvol
Posted on 3/6/14 at 7:55 am to engvol
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Yesterday was international friendlies, mainly being played in neutral countries.
Most of what you said was true, but not this part. Other than Mexico v Nigeria and USA v Ukraine (due to political unrest) all the other games that were on TV/Watch ESPN were at the home country. Maybe I missed a few, but Spain, France, England, and Germany were all at home.
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Posted on 3/6/14 at 9:11 am to Keys Open Doors
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He's been the best player in the world for the past year
who told you Ronaldo was the best player in the world for the past year?
TMZ? Twitter? Facebook? The magazines at the checkout at walmart?
Posted on 3/6/14 at 9:20 am to TeddyPadillac
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who told you Ronaldo was the best player in the world for the past year?
TMZ? Twitter? Facebook? The magazines at the checkout at walmart?
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Cristiano Ronaldo has won the Ballon d'Or after a stunning year that saw him net an astonishing 69 goals in 59 games, ending Lionel Messi's four-year run as the world's best player.
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The Ballon d'Or and the men's FIFA World Player of the Year award were merged in 2010 and the world's best male player has since been awarded the FIFA Ballon d'Or each year.
This post was edited on 3/6/14 at 9:29 am
Posted on 3/6/14 at 10:55 am to DestrehanTiger
Ever since they started looking down on racism, people have been staying home.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 11:14 am to Draconian Sanctions
Are you serious? Have you ever watched a real vs Barcelona game? Liverpool vs Man U? Arsenal vs Chelsea? Those games are filled to the brink and have unbelievable intense atmospheres. Obviously many soccer games might be half full and many of their stadiums are far smaller than some big name college football stadiums though. Barcelona has 98,000ish and a couple other big teams hold in the range of 60-80, but most good but not great teams range around 40-60some.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 11:38 am to DestrehanTiger
Messi is still the best player in the world and has been for about 6 or 7 years now.
His hamstring injury cost him last year.
He still holds or is about to break just about every scoring record in La Liga and the CL.
Ronaldo deserved it last year, no doubt, I still think Messi is the best. Everything Ronaldo, and Madrid for that matter has done the last 5 years, Messi and Barcelona have done better.
I was merely making fun of the OP b/c most non soccer fans only know Ronaldo b/c he on the cover of shopping store magazines and TMZ crap.
His hamstring injury cost him last year.
He still holds or is about to break just about every scoring record in La Liga and the CL.
Ronaldo deserved it last year, no doubt, I still think Messi is the best. Everything Ronaldo, and Madrid for that matter has done the last 5 years, Messi and Barcelona have done better.
I was merely making fun of the OP b/c most non soccer fans only know Ronaldo b/c he on the cover of shopping store magazines and TMZ crap.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 12:24 pm to TeddyPadillac
You've certainly got a good handle of my soccer knowledge. I probably can't name more than 3 soccer players or teams in the world 
Posted on 3/6/14 at 1:22 pm to Keys Open Doors
I'm not sure about half empty, but for the less heralded teams, the games don't always sell out. The games for the bigger teams are usually sold out. One reason is that soccer teams aren't granted area monopolies like in American leagues. No American league would put more than 2 franchises in a metropolitan area. There are 6 Premier League teams located in London alone. Teams get to play in a country's top division solely by merit. You are not guaranteed a spot in the top division unlike American leagues.
This post was edited on 3/6/14 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 3/6/14 at 1:26 pm to TeddyPadillac
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who told you Ronaldo was the best player in the world for the past year?
TMZ? Twitter? Facebook? The magazines at the checkout at walmart?
Ronaldo outplayed Messi in the last year. Messi missed too many games and Ronaldo scored too many goals.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 4:06 pm to Anfield Road
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One reason is that soccer teams aren't granted area monopolies like in American leagues. No American league would put more than 2 franchises in a metropolitan area. There are 6 Premier League teams located in London alone.
So what else is there in London? There's 10+million people there, just like NYC and LA.
Arsenal, Tottenham, Chelsea, Fulham,West Ham, Crystal Palace, Charlton Athletic, Milwall, QPR
9 clubs with stadiums holding more than 20,000, about 300,000 in capacity in stadiums all together. There really are no other major sport teams in that city. It's just soccer.
New York City has the Yankees, Mets, Giants, Jets, Knicks, Nets, Islanders, Rangers, Devils, Red Bulls
that's 10 clubs with stadium capacities of almost 400,000. It's not like there's a ton of people with season tickets to two different sports in this city.
LA has the Lakers, Clippers, Dodgers, Angels, Kings, Ducks, Chivas, Galaxy, UCLA, USC.
7 pro teams and 2 major colleges with huge football stadiums.
Hell the DC area has the Redskins, Ravens, Orioles, Nationals, Wizards, Capitals, DC United, The Preakness, Georgetown, Maryland, Navy.
There's a lot of people in London, just like in NYC, LA, and DC/Baltimore. When you really think about it, you'd think they could have more teams there, granted they have about 30 more small soccer teams that probably have a thousand or so people show up for a game.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 4:22 pm to TeddyPadillac
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New York City has the Yankees, Mets, Giants, Jets, Knicks, Nets, Islanders, Rangers, Devils, Red Bulls that's 10 clubs with stadium capacities of almost 400,000. It's not like there's a ton of people with season tickets to two different sports in this city. LA has the Lakers, Clippers, Dodgers, Angels, Kings, Ducks, Chivas, Galaxy, UCLA, USC. 7 pro teams and 2 major colleges with huge football stadiums.
Most of these teams aren't playing at the same time, and you can be a fan of multiple teams. You can be a fan of the Lakers, Angels, Ducks, Galaxy, and USC and be able to go to many games of each team because they are in different seasons and play at different times.
Most people in London aren't going to be fans of more than one team. You probably won't see many Arsenal fans that are also Crystal Palace fans. Even if you were a fan of both teams, most of the games are played at the same time. It would be hard to catch both a Tottenham and a West Ham match on the same day.
Also, just like in all of the US metros, not everyone is a sports fan.
This post was edited on 3/6/14 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 3/6/14 at 4:27 pm to pvilleguru
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You probably won't see many Arsenal fans that are also Crystal Palace fans.
Change "many" to "none" and you'd be right. European fans, and Brits in particular, pick one team and cleave to them throughout their lives as a rule.
Of course over there, "footie" is the end-all-be-all. It's not at all like it is here.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 4:33 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
Seems like a over-saturation in some markets.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 4:36 pm to bamafan425
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Seems like a over-saturation in some markets.
Well, it's not like it is over here. These aren't franchises. You can't get a team of friends together to play some football and eventually have that team join the NFL. You can do that in England. I can go find 10 other guys, start a team, and eventually make the EPL if we are good enough.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 4:47 pm to TeddyPadillac
I've seen plenty of games where fans packed stadiums during shitty weather to watch games between historically and currently irrelevant EPL teams.
This post was edited on 3/6/14 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 3/6/14 at 4:47 pm to pvilleguru
I like their relegation/promotion system.
But, I've always been curious. How many different teams ever make it to the EPL? And how many are there total (in all the leagues eligible for the EPL)? Are the lower level teams treated line a minor league or farm system, essentially?
Seems like it'd be about the same teams that would get relegated and promoted each year, if that makes sense. But I could be off base.
But, I've always been curious. How many different teams ever make it to the EPL? And how many are there total (in all the leagues eligible for the EPL)? Are the lower level teams treated line a minor league or farm system, essentially?
Seems like it'd be about the same teams that would get relegated and promoted each year, if that makes sense. But I could be off base.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 4:49 pm to bamafan425
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Are the lower level teams treated line a minor league or farm system, essentially?
No
Posted on 3/6/14 at 4:52 pm to ohiovol
So these players just stay on the lower level teams for the duration of their career?
Posted on 3/6/14 at 4:52 pm to bamafan425
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Seems like it'd be about the same teams that would get relegated and promoted each year, if that makes sense. But I could be off base
I've only been watching the EPL for 3 or 4 years, but it seems like it's been 3 new teams each year that get promoted. They really don't treat clubs like farm teams, but some of the bigger clubs do have good relationships with the smaller ones. The big clubs will send some of their young players to the smaller clubs on loan, typically for a few months or an entire season.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 4:54 pm to bamafan425
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So these players just stay on the lower level teams for the duration of their career?
Pretty much, unless a bigger club buys them.
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