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ESPN: Current NFL passing records is equivalent to stats from MLB's steroids era

Posted on 1/5/12 at 12:01 am
Posted by Unbiased Bama Fan
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 1/5/12 at 12:01 am
I agree with every word from this article.

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By early 2005, during the denouement of the steroid era, Donald Fehr, then the executive director of baseball's players' union, had grown tired of the emphasis on performance-enhancing drugs as the reason behind the explosion in the game's offensive statistics, home runs in particular. Certainly, anabolic substances (Fehr's preferred term) were a factor in the rising numbers, but they weren't the only factor. At least as important was an issue in the larger sports culture, he said, and not singular to baseball.

"Everybody wants to see more scoring. It is true in every sport," Fehr told me then. "Name a sport where defense begins to dominate and I guarantee you there will be reforms that rebalance the game. Look at hockey. Look at football, especially. They change the rules every year to encourage more offense."

It is with that parallel -- performance-enhancement rules in pro football playing the role of performance-enhancing drugs in baseball -- that the 2011 NFL regular season ends. And after record-breaking passing performances from Drew Brees and Tom Brady, and as Dan Marino's brilliant 1984 season begins its inexorable fade into the sunset, it ends with a paradigm shift that might ignite a conversation about rebalancing the game toward more defense rather than more offense.



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This post was edited on 1/5/12 at 12:44 am
Posted by ProjectP2294
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Member since May 2007
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Posted on 1/5/12 at 12:03 am to
I agree, those kids should stay off my lawn and everything really was better back in the day.
Posted by TN Bhoy
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Posted on 1/5/12 at 12:04 am to
NB4Saintards
Posted by slackster
Houston
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Posted on 1/5/12 at 12:05 am to
I haven't read the article yet, but there was a good piece on Brees during one of the games a week ago. It basically said that while the league is a more pass-happy league as a whole, the delta between Brees and the average QB in 2011 is better than that of Marino and the rest of the league in 1984. In other words, more QBs are throwing for higher yards, but Brees is just as impressive, if not more so, than Marino was in his day when compared to the average QB in the league.
Posted by Unbiased Bama Fan
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 1/5/12 at 12:09 am to
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I haven't read the article yet, but there was a good piece on Brees during one of the games a week ago. It basically said that while the league is a more pass-happy league as a whole, the delta between Brees and the average QB in 2011 is better than that of Marino and the rest of the league in 1984. In other words, more QBs are throwing for higher yards, but Brees is just as impressive, if not more so, than Marino was in his day when compared to the average QB in the league.


If you go to profootballreference.com and check out the advanced passing statistics for both QBs, Marino' 84 season is ahead of Brees '11 season in every category. Only statistic that's even really close is INT%.
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
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Posted on 1/5/12 at 12:11 am to
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If you go to profootballreference.com and check out the advanced passing statistics for both QBs, Marino' 84 season is ahead of Brees '11 season in every category. Only statistic that's even really close is INT%.


thats not the point of his post
Posted by ZZTIGERS
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 1/5/12 at 12:12 am to
Did this article just focus on Brees? Because Rodgers' play this year was even better.
Posted by Melvin
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 1/5/12 at 12:16 am to
everybody mad
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
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Posted on 1/5/12 at 12:16 am to
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Did this article just focus on Brees? Because Rodgers' play this year was even better.


it didnt focus on anyone. try reading, it's fun
Posted by Unbiased Bama Fan
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 1/5/12 at 12:17 am to
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thats not the point of his post


Slackster posted "In other words, more QBs are throwing for higher yards, but Brees is just as impressive, if not more so, than Marino was in his day when compared to the average QB in the league." Advanced passing statistics for pro-football-reference.com measures how much better a QB was compared to the league average QB during that season. Marino was clearly more dominant in comparison to the rest of the league in 1984 than Brees was in 2011.
Posted by ZZTIGERS
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 1/5/12 at 12:20 am to
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it didnt focus on anyone. try reading, it's fun


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but there was a good piece on Brees during one of the games a week ago


Try reading, it's fun.
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
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Posted on 1/5/12 at 12:24 am to
i dont know what any of those stats mean, but it doesnt matter...what the other guy is talking about was how actual passing yardage in '84 wasnt much different than '11

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Marino's 1984 was 2.4 standard deviations above average, while Brees' 2011 (so far) is 1.9 standard deviations above average.


not sure what the final number was seeing as how this doesnt include week 17...but you get the point, marino's number was far better than the league average, but brees' wasnt terribly far off. LINK
This post was edited on 1/5/12 at 12:34 am
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
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Posted on 1/5/12 at 12:25 am to
i didnt realize you were responding to slackster, if he and i are thinking of the same thing though, it wasnt an article, it was a graphic on fox or some shite
Posted by Chicken
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Posted on 1/5/12 at 12:41 am to
Please remove the article text from your post. You cannot do that. Put a few teaser paragraphs but not the entire article.
Posted by Tactical1
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Posted on 1/5/12 at 12:44 am to
No. Just no......
Posted by Enfuego
Uptown
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 1/5/12 at 12:56 am to
I don't care what anyone says, Marino's record should not be forgotten bc of how different the game was played back then. No ticky tack defensive penalties were in existence, not nearly the pass frenzy offenses, etc. Marino will always be the NFL's ultimate regular season QB.
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
Member since Dec 2011
19352 posts
Posted on 1/5/12 at 1:01 am to
The current NFL passing is MUCH worse because no matter how big the power #s in baseball got guys like Tony Gwynn and Ichiro still had just as much value as they had before/after the steroid era. But today's NFL has GREATLY diminished the majority of top DBs like Troy Polamalu and Charles Woodson
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
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Posted on 1/5/12 at 1:04 am to
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But today's NFL has GREATLY diminished the majority of top DBs like Troy Polamalu and Charles Woodson


how so?
Posted by RemouladeSawce
Uranus
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 1/5/12 at 1:04 am to
Comparing a natural progression of the game to an era of another sport that was tainted by cheating is ridiculous.

I did read one thought on having 3 passers over 5,000 yards with respect to kickoffs starting at the 35. Touchbacks increased from 416 to 1120 this year.

I have no statistic with respect to average starting field position off of kickoffs, but anecdotally you could argue that for the offenses that score at will like the Saints, it's just going to make their eventual scoring part of a longer drive.

If anyone knows where said starting field position statistic is available, please share.
This post was edited on 1/5/12 at 1:10 am
Posted by The Easter Bunny
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 1/5/12 at 1:14 am to
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Only statistic that's even really close is INT%.


and Drew dominates in CMP%+
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