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re: ESPN - Let Zion Williamson choose where he wants to play next

Posted on 6/18/19 at 8:11 pm to
Posted by FightnBobLafollette
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Posted on 6/18/19 at 8:11 pm to
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guess he’s still thinking about it.


I didnr know I was under a time constraint.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 6/18/19 at 8:15 pm to
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There isn’t a single talented person in this country that can’t find multiple opportunities to work in various cities and states.

The nba player had no choice where he works coming out of college. Outside of taking a job in the minor leagues or overseas.

The other poster is closer to reality. That they choose to wok for the nba. But even then, in the real world, a top 30 grad IN THE COUNTRY would have their choice of companies. And even if it was a company, let’s say IBM, they could pick their choice of many locales.

This. It objectively sucks for American athletes that they have basically zero input on where they start their careers. They have a great deal generally, but that part isn’t great.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 6/18/19 at 8:24 pm to
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The other poster is closer to reality. That they choose to wok for the nba. But even then, in the real world, a top 30 grad IN THE COUNTRY would have their choice of companies. And even if it was a company, let’s say IBM, they could pick their choice of many locales.


There are only 30 NBA teams in the world my dude. Not exactly the same.

Should trades be banned as well?
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 6/18/19 at 8:26 pm to
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Should trades be banned as well?

Getting traded would also be very shitty, now that you bring that up. Part of the deal, but shitty nonetheless.
Posted by catnip
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Posted on 6/18/19 at 8:26 pm to
Don't forget the L.A. Homeless.
Posted by FightnBobLafollette
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 6/18/19 at 8:28 pm to
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This. It objectively sucks for American athletes that they have basically zero input on where they start their careers. They have a great deal generally, but that part isn’t great.


I’m not asking anyone to feel sorry for them.

But any conservative who values freedom and the free maket, should abhor this on principle.

The idea that you can’t choose where to live your life for basically 7 years, during the prime “fun” years of your life and basically half your career if you are good, is hard to justify.

Posted by Melvin
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 6/18/19 at 8:35 pm to
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But any conservative who values freedom and the free maket, should abhor this on principle.
He still has all the freedom he wants to live where he wants. But in order to maximize his earnings he has to work for a corporation that has these rules in place. There is no gun to his head saying he has to work for the NBA.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 6/18/19 at 8:35 pm to
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The idea that you can’t choose where to live your life for basically 7 years, during the prime “fun” years of your life and basically half your career if you are good, is hard to justify.

To add to this and the writer touches on it, but the competence of the franchise you are drafted by can have a dramatic impact on the success of your individual career.
Posted by FightnBobLafollette
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 6/18/19 at 8:37 pm to
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There are only 30 NBA teams in the world my dude. Not exactly the sa


And?

There is only one google. Or MS. Or top 30 tech companies.

Trades: did I advocate anything? But if your company decided to assign you to a new city you could resign and still play your trade at the level you are almost anywhere in this country.

Pretending that money compensates for freedom. Lol

Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 6/18/19 at 8:38 pm to
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He still has all the freedom he wants to live where he wants. But in order to maximize his earnings he has to work for a corporation that has these rules in place. There is no gun to his head saying he has to work for the NBA.

This is a copout. There is no other industry like this that I can think of.
Posted by Melvin
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 6/18/19 at 8:41 pm to
Well blame the market for that and the lack of other leagues’ ability to prosper and give him a choice. I’d even argue that industry being so specialized is one of the reasons he has the ability to make the amount of money that he will make.
Posted by FightnBobLafollette
Member since Oct 2017
12204 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 8:43 pm to
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He still has all the freedom he wants to live where he wants. But in order to maximize his earnings he has to work for a corporation that has these rules in place. There is no gun to his head saying he has to work for the NBA.



That ain’t freedom and you know it.
Posted by FightnBobLafollette
Member since Oct 2017
12204 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 8:44 pm to
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o add to this and the writer touches on it, but the competence of the franchise you are drafted by can have a dramatic impact on the success of your individual career.


True.

All these pretending that they wouldn’t be hating life if they worked for the equivalent of the Dolan’s is funny.
Posted by Melvin
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 6/18/19 at 8:46 pm to
Of course it is. Wtf are you talking about?

ETA: you seem to be mixing up “freedom” and “entitlement”.
This post was edited on 6/18/19 at 8:49 pm
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 6/18/19 at 8:47 pm to
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There is only one google. Or MS. Or top 30 tech companies


And they are located in set spots. Spots that not everyone wants to live. They can choose to work for another company just like Zion can.

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Trades: did I advocate anything? But if your company decided to assign you to a new city you could resign and still play your trade at the level you are almost anywhere in this country.


Plenty of companies do this. Some people say no and go else where, others see the value in the offer at that company and make the move

Again the NBA isn’t limiting him in getting a different job.

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Pretending that money compensates for freedom. Lol


At some level it does. I love the city I live in, but if there was a career opportunity that wanted to pay me millions to live in a different city...welll I probably would take that path.
Posted by FightnBobLafollette
Member since Oct 2017
12204 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 8:47 pm to
Thanks for proving the market doesn’t work.
This post was edited on 6/18/19 at 9:43 pm
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
115518 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 8:48 pm to
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That ain’t freedom and you know it.



What about the NBAs freedom to operate in 30 cities and agree to a CBA that includes a draft process that the NBA players and reps agree to?
Posted by Melvin
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 6/18/19 at 8:50 pm to
The fact that you think this is a “conservative” view is pretty hilarious.
Posted by cubsfan5150
NWA
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Posted on 6/18/19 at 8:55 pm to
Should military personnel have their base of choice also? Guaranteed?
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
26769 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:01 pm to
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Should military personnel have their base of choice also? Guaranteed?

Not getting their choice of where to live stinks for them too.

To clarify, I’m not advocating blowing up the system. I’m just saying that the lack of choice is unfortunate from the athlete’s perspective.
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