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re: Drew Bledsoe: Manning and Elway were better QBs than Brady and Montana
Posted on 9/13/16 at 6:04 pm to Poodlebrain
Posted on 9/13/16 at 6:04 pm to Poodlebrain
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but Montana had already won 2 Super Bowls prior to that, and none of those players were part of those Super Bowl Champions
To be fair, Roger Craig was an important part of the 1984 SB winning team... Now 1981 was a different story.. Montana pulled an Elway and basically took that team to A SB by himself.... IMO the 1984 49er team was better than the 1989 team... Just look at the stats............
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Posted on 9/13/16 at 6:07 pm to TigerintheNO
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the poster said the 49ers were 100 points better than there opponents. The Bears didn't even score 100 points in their run.
Ok. If we are just talking offense that's fine... But ANY fan would realize that the 1985 Bears had a playoff run for he ages.....
Posted on 9/13/16 at 6:08 pm to dukke v
I'll still take the '89 team. That offense was on fire and the defense was solid. Plus, Montana was at the height of his abilities, averaging over 9 yards per attempt.
Posted on 9/13/16 at 6:24 pm to dukke v
The 86 Giants Defense was just as scary as the 85 Bears, they just didn't get the cult following
The 86 Giants had 2 of best 3 OLB (Tippett being between) Top 2 MLB (Carson) and probably a better secondary.
Best overall QB's IMO
Marino
Manning
Elway
Staubach
Baugh
Graham
Montana
Young
Brady
Brees
Moon
The 86 Giants had 2 of best 3 OLB (Tippett being between) Top 2 MLB (Carson) and probably a better secondary.
Best overall QB's IMO
Marino
Manning
Elway
Staubach
Baugh
Graham
Montana
Young
Brady
Brees
Moon
This post was edited on 9/13/16 at 6:31 pm
Posted on 9/13/16 at 6:28 pm to RollTide1987
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I'll still take the '89 team. That offense was on fire and the defense was solid. Plus, Montana was at the height of his abilities, averaging over 9 yards per attempt.
And I have no problem with that... BUT IMO the 1984 defense was better..... The 1989 49er offense was a JOY to watch every week with the way they executed... I am not sure I have seen a more effective offense for a whole year........
Posted on 9/13/16 at 6:55 pm to dukke v
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That's not what I said dummy.......... Fouts had a quicker release... But Marino was a better overall QB..... That's what I was saying... Sad I have to SPELL everything out for a guy who THINKS he knows footbal
Are you kidding?
This is what you posted....
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Dan Fouts had a quicker release than Marino, but had more weapons than Dan.
This reads like youre saying that the amount of weapons helps a qbs release.
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Sad I have to SPELL everything out for a guy who THINKS he knows footbal
Thinks? Even posters that hate me admit i know my shite.
Try posting in a coherent way.
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Stick to the present NFL... You weren't even alive when Marino was playing.....
I most certainly was. Stop acting like you have more insight about football just because youre older. You being older only lets me know that you've been spewimg nonsense for longer.
Posted on 9/13/16 at 7:08 pm to Poodlebrain
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Compare their statistics with those of Reggie Wayne, Marshall Faulk, Edgerrin James, etc. If those 49ers were great, than the Colts must have been greater based on productivity. You can't compare Manning to Montana based on statistics and claim they are relevant and then ignore them for other positions. John Taylor caught 14 passes in 1988 and 60 in 1989. Taylor's best single season was only 64 receptions. Would you like to compare those to Reggie Wayne? Edgerrin James had over 2,000 more yards from scrimmage than Roger Craig, and they both played 11 seasons. Your surrounding talent argument doesn't pass simple scrutiny.
What? Roger craig won an mvp with Montana. Name a mvp candidate that played with Peyton.
The 1989 49ers are far more talented than any indy team that peyton was on.
the 89 49ers had 8 all pro players.
Mannings most talented roster in indy ranks 29th alltime in talent.
49ers is always top 5.
This post was edited on 9/13/16 at 7:11 pm
Posted on 9/13/16 at 7:19 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Marshal Faulks playing 1 year with Peyton(his rookie year)is not the same thing as having roger craig for multiple years.
That's neat. That however has nothing to do with what you asked.
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What? Please tell me the HoF peyton played with. Marvin Harrison?
So, he played with another Hall of Famer other than Marvin Harrison. That's a fact.
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Dallas clark was nothing without Manning.
So what was Brent Jones without his quarterbacks? Completely irrelevant?
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Manning played with 1 HoF. Maybe Wayne gets in but thats it.
Already proven to be false. While he may not get in, statistically Edgerrin James has the numbers to get in as well. This just goes to show you how underrated a player he was.
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There is nothing you can say that proves mannings teams were anywhere near Montana's teams im talent.
Now while you may be right here, with your responses it really doesn't matter even if someone tried to make an argument against it. You've already made up your mind and any decent points are just dismissed.
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You listed players that either played 1 season with manning ( rookie)
Faulk playing one season doesn't change the fact he played with Manning.
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or were no where near the players montana had.
Subjective.
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Manning is the better qb.
Subjective.
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Montana left the 49ers and had 2 of his worst seasons.
How old was he and what kind of talent was he surrounded by offensively?
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Manning left indy and had 1 of the best 3 season runs in nfl history.
Now before you even think about saying "Well, how old was he?", think about how much the game has changed from the brutal type of ball the played back in the day and how the rules have changed in protecting the quarterback. Peyton was able to say playing at a high level because of it.
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Roger Craig was better than any rb Manning ever had and its not subjective.
I'd take Marshall Faulk. Edgerrin James was also an absolute monster in his prime. I'd easily take Faulk and may take prime James as well... but that's just me.
Anyhow, subjective.
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Please name the manning rb that won a league mvp while playing with manning.
None.
You see there were a few Hall of Famers name Tomlinson, Faulk, and this other guy name Shuan Alexander that were hogging the awards. Not to mention this Peyton Manning character that was winning a few himself. Edgerrin James certainly had the numbers to win one himself.
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Please name the rb that played with manning that was named to a nfl all decade team.
Edgerrin James
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You saying Craig being better is subjective just lets me know how little you remember of late 80's football.
That or it's just showing how incredibly bias you are.
This post was edited on 9/13/16 at 7:25 pm
Posted on 9/13/16 at 7:28 pm to Bench McElroy
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Brady and Elway were better QBs than Manning and Montana
FIFY
Posted on 9/13/16 at 7:34 pm to dukke v
Super Bowls-
Joe Montana 0 interceptions (fewest all-time)
John Elway 8 interceptions (most all-time)
Joe Montana 0 interceptions (fewest all-time)
John Elway 8 interceptions (most all-time)
Posted on 9/13/16 at 7:41 pm to papz
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So, he played with another Hall of Famer other than Marvin Harrison. That's a fact.
He played with far less HOF than Montana. Thats a fact and thats what the discussion was about.
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Already proven to be false. While he may not get in, statistically Edgerrin James has the numbers to get in as well. This just goes to show you how underrated a player he was.
He isnt a HOF
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Now while you may be right here, with your responses it really doesn't matter even if someone tried to make an argument against it. You've already made up your mind and any decent points are just dismissed.
Yeah i dismiss it because the only people on the planet that would Manning's indy team were more talented than Montana's teams.
AND THATS WHAT THE ARGUMENT WAS ABOUT.
The poster said manning playes with more HOF than Montana.
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aulk playing one season doesn't change the fact he played with Manning.
Even of you add Faulk its still far less than the 49ers WHICH IS WHAT THE DISCUSSION WAS ABOUT.
Talent isnt subjective.
49ers had 8 all pros and manning had 1.
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Subjective
No shite. But there isnt a single statistic that shows montana is better than Peyton except team accomplishments.
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How old was he and what kind of talent was he surrounded by offensively?
Why does this matter? Peyton was older than Montana and was putting up alltime seasons.
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I'd take Marshall Faulk. Edgerrin James was also an absolute monster in his prime. I'd easily take Faulk and may take prime James as well... but that's just me.
Roger Craig won an mvp while on the same team as Montana.
No teammate of peyton manning was ever in the discussion of winning an mvp while on the same team as manning.
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Edgerrin James
Youre right. I was wrong on this.
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That or it's just showing how incredibly bias you are.
Its not bias.
Manning never had the talent that Montana had around him.
Roger Craig accolades.
1 of 3 rbs to lead the league in receptions
1 of 2 rbs to run for over 1000 yards and over 1000 yards receiving in the same season.
Once again the discussion was about manning having more talent than montana. Its clear he didnt.
This post was edited on 9/13/16 at 7:43 pm
Posted on 9/13/16 at 7:43 pm to sms151t
I have zero problem with your list.
Posted on 9/13/16 at 7:46 pm to Rickdaddy4188
You are a drunk mommas boy.....
Posted on 9/13/16 at 7:50 pm to dukke v
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You are a drunk mommas boy.....
Embrace it so it can never piss you off again.
Do you think i enjoy being called a very handsome genius?
But its my cross to bear.
Posted on 9/13/16 at 7:51 pm to sms151t
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Best overall QB's IMO
Marino
Manning
Elway
Staubach
Baugh
Graham
Montana
Young
Brady
Brees
Moon
No Unitas or bert jones?
List is incomplete
Posted on 9/13/16 at 8:09 pm to Rickdaddy4188
I'm a big Peyton fanboy but his 2006 team had three all pro players all on offense, two excluding himself. Wayne was really good that year and Addai was a good every down back. I thought that was the year Bob Sanders won DPOY but that might've been the year after.
Posted on 9/13/16 at 8:10 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Unitas is around 15
Bert Jones no as he may be the 5th best QB from Louisiana.
Bert Jones no as he may be the 5th best QB from Louisiana.
This post was edited on 9/13/16 at 8:13 pm
Posted on 9/13/16 at 8:12 pm to sms151t
I don't think anyone outside of the South and maybe some Colts fans really consider Bert an all time great
Posted on 9/13/16 at 8:13 pm to sms151t
Unitas has to be above graham and baugh.
Posted on 9/13/16 at 8:14 pm to Rickdaddy4188
No he doesn't because it's because of Baugh you have Unitas. Graham is always overlooked in these discussions.
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