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re: Drew Bledsoe: Manning and Elway were better QBs than Brady and Montana
Posted on 9/13/16 at 11:15 am to dukke v
Posted on 9/13/16 at 11:15 am to dukke v
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Well I do agree those 1988 and 1989 teams were loaded... The first two sb wins by Montana were pretty good. And his passing stats in all his sb's are far greater than any qb in history. I still put Elway above him though
Im still mad at you.
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Posted on 9/13/16 at 11:18 am to Rickdaddy4188
Namath was also the 1st qb to throw for over 4,000 yards. An unheard of number at that time. Plus he led his team as an 18 point underdog to a super bowl win against what most considered at the time as one of the greatest teams ever. Stat wise he should not be there. But there is more than stats to being a great qb in the NFL.
Posted on 9/13/16 at 11:19 am to Rickdaddy4188
You think I care??????? Nope.............
Posted on 9/13/16 at 11:31 am to dukke v
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You think I care??????? Nope.............
I wouldnt expect a drunk momma's boy to care.
Posted on 9/13/16 at 11:39 am to dukke v
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Namath was also the 1st qb to throw for over 4,000 yards. An unheard of number at that time.
He did it once amd then never got within 700 yards of 4000 again. The shine of 4000 yards was taken off by throwing 28 ints and 26 tds
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Stat wise he should not be there. But there is more than stats to being a great qb in the NFL.
As i said. He is in their because he was iconic.
This post was edited on 9/13/16 at 11:39 am
Posted on 9/13/16 at 11:45 am to Rickdaddy4188
But it's fair that Brady plays over 50% of his games outside and a huge chunk of those in awful weather conditions?
Once you start talking top 5 QBs, all have arguments to be #1.
Once you start talking top 5 QBs, all have arguments to be #1.
Posted on 9/13/16 at 12:18 pm to dukke v
quote:If they were so loaded, where are all the Hall of Famers? They have fewer offensive Hall of Famers than the Steelers of the 1970's or Packers of the 1950-1960's. The talent surrounding Montana wasn't as awesome as people think it was. The only 49ers in the Hall of Fame with Super Bowl rings are Bill Walsh, Joe Montana, Ronnie Lott, Jerry Rice, Steve Young and Fred Dean.
Well I do agree those 1988 and 1989 teams were loaded...
With the 49ers, Joe Montana never played with a Hall of Fame running back, never played with a Hall of Fame offensive linemen and only played with one Hall of Fame wide receiver. How much do you want to bet that more of Peyton Mannings offensive teammates end up in the Hall of Fame than Joe Montana's? He is already even when it comes to wide receivers.
Posted on 9/13/16 at 1:21 pm to Jcorye1
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Once you start talking top 5 QBs, all have arguments to be #1.
Well of course. I never said it was impossible to make a case for Brady. He is the most accomplished qb in nfl history. I just believe the Manning played the position better.
What i hate is that Marino is left put of most peoples top 3 and he is probably to most gifted passer of my top 5. Still has the quickest release and most beautiful thrown ball of my top 5.
Posted on 9/13/16 at 1:31 pm to Poodlebrain
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The only 49ers in the Hall of Fame with Super Bowl rings are Bill Walsh, Joe Montana, Ronnie Lott, Jerry Rice, Steve Young and Fred Dean.
Lol. So now youre only talented if you are a hall of famer?
So John Taylor, roger craig, mike walter,don griffin,and mike cofer werent great?
They were all pro in 1989. That 1989 team had 8 all pros on it.
The 1989 49ers is easily one of the most talented rosters in the history of the nfl.
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How much do you want to bet that more of Peyton Mannings offensive teammates end up in the Hall of Fame than Joe Montana
What? Please tell me the HoF peyton played with. Marvin Harrison?
Youre crazy if you think Peyton had more offensive weapons than Montana.
Jerry rice, john taylor, roger craig,tom rathman,and brent jones.
Please list the teams peyton played on with better players than that.
You clearly dont remember how stacked those teams were.
I wont even get into how many great coaches those 49ers had.
This post was edited on 9/13/16 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 9/13/16 at 2:27 pm to Poodlebrain
Posted on 9/13/16 at 2:39 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Marshall Faulk, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, Edgerrin James?
Just a bunch of scrubs I guess.
Just a bunch of scrubs I guess.
This post was edited on 9/13/16 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 9/13/16 at 2:54 pm to papz
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Marshall Faulk, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, Edgerrin James?
Faulk played with Manning for 1 year.
None of the other ones are HOF.
Which is what the guy said. At no time did i say those guys are scrubs.
His point was that manning had more talent than Montana and just wrong.
The 1989 9ers are one of the most talented rosters ever. They had 8 all pros.
Roger craig is better than any rb manning ever had.
Rice is better than any wr manning had.
I can't believe youd even list dallas clark. Please enlighten me on how productive Clark was without manning.
Do i need to list all the great coaches that were on that 1989 San Fran team?
Do i need to list all the alltime great defensive players on that team?
Its utter bullshite to say any of mannings team come close to that 1989 san fran team.
After going 14–2 in the regular season, the 49ers completed the season with the most dominant playoff run in NFL history, outscoring opponents 126–26 and winning their fourth Super Bowl victory.In 2007, ESPN.com's Page 2 ranked the 1989 49ers as the greatest team in Super Bowl history.
Steve young sat the damn bench.
This post was edited on 9/13/16 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 9/13/16 at 3:27 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Faulk played with Manning for 1 year.
So? Did you not ask this question?
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What? Please tell me the HoF peyton played with. Marvin Harrison?
So because he only played a season with Manning he doesn't count? That's stupid.
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None of the other ones are HOF.
Now that's definitely debatable. I think you're seriously underrating the talent Peyton had around him. It's was great. It may not have been a great as some of the talent on the San Francisco teams, but that's also subjective and debatable.
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His point was that manning had more talent than Montana and just wrong.
Subjective.
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The 1989 9ers are one of the most talented rosters ever. They had 8 all pros.
No argument here. I was a 49ers fan growing up.
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Roger craig is better than any rb manning ever had.
Subjective.
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Rice is better than any wr manning had.
I mean, it's Jerry Rice.
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I can't believe youd even list dallas clark. Please enlighten me on how productive Clark was without manning.
Why wouldn't I? I was just mentioning him as a reference about weapons. I mean he was injured and at the tail end of his career post Manning. How productive was Brent Jones towards the end of his career? How productive was Brent Jones at the pinnacle of his career?
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Do i need to list all the great coaches that were on that 1989 San Fran team?
Do i need to list all the alltime great defensive players on that team?
You can if you want. I don't know what purpose it will serve with me. The 49ers were a dominant team for a long time. Steve Young is my personal favorite quarterback of all time. I'd take him over a couple of those guys listed in the thread title.
Posted on 9/13/16 at 5:03 pm to Rickdaddy4188
To be fair. Dan Fouts had a quicker release than Marino, but had more weapons than Dan.
Posted on 9/13/16 at 5:07 pm to papz
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I think you're seriously underrating the talent Peyton had around him. It's was great. It may not have been a great as some of the talent on the San Francisco teams, but that's also subjective and debatable.
The debate was that mannings indy teams had more talent than Montana's teams and its utter bullshite.
Marshal Faulks playing 1 year with Peyton(his rookie year)is not the same thing as having roger craig for multiple years.
Dallas clark was nothing without Manning.
Manning played with 1 HoF. Maybe Wayne gets in but thats it.
There is nothing you can say that proves mannings teams were anywhere near Montana's teams im talent.
You listed players that either played 1 season with manning ( rookie) or were no where near the players montana had.
Not one person puts any of mannings teams in the top 20 alltime in talent while 1989 49ers is top 5.
Manning is the better qb.
Montana left the 49ers and had 2 of his worst seasons.
Manning left indy and had 1 of the best 3 season runs in nfl history.
Roger Craig was better than any rb Manning ever had and its not subjective.
Please name the manning rb that won a league mvp while playing with manning.
Please name the rb that played with manning that was named to a nfl all decade team.
You saying Craig being better is subjective just lets me know how little you remember of late 80's football.
This post was edited on 9/13/16 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 9/13/16 at 5:14 pm to dukke v
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To be fair. Dan Fouts had a quicker release than Marino, but had more weapons than Dan.
The other players on the field have nothing to do with quickest release, brother
Posted on 9/13/16 at 5:34 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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The other players on the field have nothing to do with quickest release, brother
That's not what I said dummy.......... Fouts had a quicker release... But Marino was a better overall QB..... That's what I was saying... Sad I have to SPELL everything out for a guy who THINKS he knows football... Stick to the present NFL... You weren't even alive when Marino was playing.....
Posted on 9/13/16 at 5:40 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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the 49ers completed the season with the most dominant playoff run in NFL history, outscoring opponents 126–26
Wrong... The 1985 Bears were better in the playoffs.... Look it up..........
Posted on 9/13/16 at 5:54 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:Compare their statistics with those of Reggie Wayne, Marshall Faulk, Edgerrin James, etc. If those 49ers were great, than the Colts must have been greater based on productivity. You can't compare Manning to Montana based on statistics and claim they are relevant and then ignore them for other positions. John Taylor caught 14 passes in 1988 and 60 in 1989. Taylor's best single season was only 64 receptions. Would you like to compare those to Reggie Wayne? Edgerrin James had over 2,000 more yards from scrimmage than Roger Craig, and they both played 11 seasons. Your surrounding talent argument doesn't pass simple scrutiny.
So John Taylor, roger craig, mike walter,don griffin,and mike cofer werent great?
I'm willing to concede that the 88-89 teams were loaded, but Montana had already won 2 Super Bowls prior to that, and none of those players were part of those Super Bowl Champions. Montana won a Super Bowl with Paul Cofer as the team's leading rusher.
Posted on 9/13/16 at 6:00 pm to dukke v
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Wrong... The 1985 Bears were better in the playoffs.... Look it up..........
I don't need to, the poster said the 49ers were 100 points better than there opponents. The Bears didn't even score 100 points in their run.
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