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re: Does the UAB situation actually matter to you?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 9:09 am to fleaux
Posted on 12/3/14 at 9:09 am to fleaux
All the legislature has to do is stop the general fund transfer and all of these La State football teams will be in trouble (except, obviously, LSU).
They need to move to student fees. It's more predictable and accountable.
ULL ought to lead the way as they probably could replace their general fund transfer with a fee no problem, considering their enrollment (SELU too).
They need to move to student fees. It's more predictable and accountable.
ULL ought to lead the way as they probably could replace their general fund transfer with a fee no problem, considering their enrollment (SELU too).
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Posted on 12/3/14 at 9:12 am to Indfanfromcol
quote:I have not kept up with the details of this situation because I'm not really concerned about UAB, but if what you are saying is accurate and Bear Jr. did this because of some grudge...it's total chickenshit.
To me, it is just very interesting.
It sucks for these kids, but to see one man with a famous name have this much power that he ca sabotage a football program for years to the point that he finally gets to shut it down over a grudge is just mind blowing.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:51 am to BeaverPRO
Personally it doesn't since I don't live or work in Alabama and have no ties to UAB.
I only follow it because I went to a university that, during my sophomore year, decided to shut down its football program for the same reasons (lack of interest and increasing costs).
I find it humorous that everyone is claiming some conspiracy on the part of UAT. I guess then that, in 1985, UT-Austin was so afraid that UT-Arlington would get all the good players, it decided to shut it down, and history is simply repeating itself.
I only follow it because I went to a university that, during my sophomore year, decided to shut down its football program for the same reasons (lack of interest and increasing costs).
I find it humorous that everyone is claiming some conspiracy on the part of UAT. I guess then that, in 1985, UT-Austin was so afraid that UT-Arlington would get all the good players, it decided to shut it down, and history is simply repeating itself.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 12:03 pm to BeaverPRO
No, it doesn't matter to me...and I live in Bham.
I feel like I'm a pretty reasonable guy, and from what I've seen & read it was the right thing to do...but I feel for the individuals who's livlihood are affected by this decision. The people stoking the fires on this are the usual haters like Scarbinsky. There is a lot of faux outrage. Nobody in the Birmingham media wants to be the bad guy and say "UAB Football needed to die."
I feel like I'm a pretty reasonable guy, and from what I've seen & read it was the right thing to do...but I feel for the individuals who's livlihood are affected by this decision. The people stoking the fires on this are the usual haters like Scarbinsky. There is a lot of faux outrage. Nobody in the Birmingham media wants to be the bad guy and say "UAB Football needed to die."
This post was edited on 12/3/14 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 12/3/14 at 12:15 pm to BeaverPRO
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Why is it when people see something that makes perfect business sense, it has to become something "more,
Because it doesn't make business sense, and anybody who knows anything about business can see that.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 12:40 pm to Overbrook
this is ULL, ULM and La tech's problem summed up:
Posted on 12/3/14 at 12:46 pm to Evergreenie
I just don't think that the state will be able to get away with shuttering ULL, La Tech, or ULM fooball. Things will get politically messy - and I don't think any of the decision makers have the balls to even mention such a thing.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 1:09 pm to oliveandblue
It isnt up to the state. Their part in this is the dark blue in the chart above.
That being said, nothing and no one will change until there is a crisis. And that is what the dark blue progression in the chart points toward. Funding will continue to be cut, becaus eit is discretionary spending. As for the otehr categories of revenue: tuition and fees cannot cover it at some point. Thats when youll have the crisis..
That being said, nothing and no one will change until there is a crisis. And that is what the dark blue progression in the chart points toward. Funding will continue to be cut, becaus eit is discretionary spending. As for the otehr categories of revenue: tuition and fees cannot cover it at some point. Thats when youll have the crisis..
Posted on 12/3/14 at 1:15 pm to Evergreenie
by the way, David Vitter, widely beleived to be the next governor of Louisiana, went to Harvard and Tulane. 
Posted on 12/3/14 at 2:43 pm to Evergreenie
Tulane isn't a public institution however, so it doesn't really help Tulane outside of having yet another ally in the political realm.
Vitter will see pitchforks if he funnels money to a private university.
I don't think it will come to needing political allies, but it's good to have them considering what lies in the state's somewhat near future.
Vitter will see pitchforks if he funnels money to a private university.
I don't think it will come to needing political allies, but it's good to have them considering what lies in the state's somewhat near future.
This post was edited on 12/3/14 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 12/3/14 at 2:48 pm to oliveandblue
They won't shutter football at any school.
But they may tell them to use student fees. That will make football problematic for some.
But they may tell them to use student fees. That will make football problematic for some.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 2:52 pm to Evergreenie
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UAB is the canary in the coal mine for dozens of similar programs subject to state legislature support.
This is the first of double digits that will drop football or drop down in NCAA classification in the next decade. Higher education is one of few discretionary spending items that States can cut.
Bingo. As Mark Cuban has said, there's a higher education bubble and it's eventually going to pop.
You add to that the consolidation of resources within the Power 5 conferences and the demands that colleges pay athletes, and people will soon learn that money doesn't grow on trees.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 3:07 pm to BeaverPRO
Absolutely. Lifelong resident of Birmingham. Have followed and supported UAB football, basketball and even baseball since I was a youngin.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 3:13 pm to BeaverPRO
As a Birmingham resident and Tuscaloosa native...yes, it fricking sucks and the BOT and Paul Jr. are some corrupt motherfrickers...I wish UAB was autonomous...
Look how well South Alabama's brand fricking new football program has been doing.
Look how well South Alabama's brand fricking new football program has been doing.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 3:13 pm to Pilot Tiger
quote:
I'm not going to lose sleep over it, but if the administration knew that the program was going to fold years ago and withheld that info to recruits, I think that's pretty shitty
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Posted on 12/3/14 at 3:44 pm to maine82
quote:
Bingo. As Mark Cuban has said, there's a higher education bubble and it's eventually going to pop. You add to that the consolidation of resources within the Power 5 conferences and the demands that colleges pay athletes, and people will soon learn that money doesn't grow on trees.
Exactly. What is going to happen is all of them will face the fiscal cliff together. In Lousiiana, it will be ULL ULM and LATech all at the same time, because none of them will willihngly drop down and concede to the others, as if the others coould or would benefit.
The tuition bubble IS going to pop and now the State has already pared back higher ed.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 4:41 pm to Overbrook
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ULL ought to lead the way as they probably could replace their general fund transfer with a fee no problem, considering their enrollment (SELU too).
We would like to have a student assessed fee. However, unlike many other states, this has to pass a student vote. With current rising tuition costs, not sure it something like that would get approved. I believe something for improvements was approved a short time ago, but academic and athletic facilities share the extra revenues from it.
As for ULL leading the way to eliminate taking the general fund transfer, don't see it happening. Why? Because it would automatically put us at a disadvantage with not only conference mates, but as well LA Tech and ULM if they continue with the allowance transfer.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 4:48 pm to fleaux
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Apparently it matters to Cajun fans, they are cheering the situation
Dude, I know you don't care for us, despite your brother-in-law or whomever being a coach at the school, but don't please don't bring Kickadouche style crap in here about our fanbase.
Most of us feel bad for UAB and question what might happen if a consolidation into one LSU board ever occurred in Louisiana. The elimination of duplicate boards might give some state budget benefits, but no doubt COULD negatively affect athletics for the non-flagship schools.
However, at the same time, many of us were pissed that our administration, in old Martin Hall fashion, completely screwed the fat girl in the last Conference USA round of addition. The opportunity is there for more and better bowl tie-ins, TV contract revenue sharing, and the chance for possible rivalries with schools like Southern Miss, Rice, and renewed with WKU.
I would expect that if we were to be in the same position as UAB and another FCS school was chomping at the bit to move up to Sunbelt, they'd do the same to try and position themselves, and I wouldn't blame them.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 5:05 pm to BeaverPRO
I feel bad for the players and coaches. Other than that, I don't care.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 5:10 pm to BeaverPRO
You can tell who in this thread never played or started in sports.
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