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Do MLB umpires WANT to be replaced by a computer on balls/strikes?
Posted on 8/13/20 at 8:40 am
Posted on 8/13/20 at 8:40 am
Posted on 8/13/20 at 8:45 am to Anaximander
100%.
Everyone is interested in losing their jobs to automation.
Everyone is interested in losing their jobs to automation.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 8:51 am to Anaximander
The robot ump/automated strike zone is one technical advancement where I just can't understand why the MLB would be resistant to it. The strike zones have been all over the place this year.
They need to just replicate the trial they had in the minor leagues. HP ump still in position behind the catcher and wearing ear buds to receive the calls from the computer, but still there physically to make safe/out calls at the plate, call time, and deal with managers and players when tempers flare.
In a sport where a game can ride on a single human judgment call made from a poor sight line, there's no reason not to do this.
They need to just replicate the trial they had in the minor leagues. HP ump still in position behind the catcher and wearing ear buds to receive the calls from the computer, but still there physically to make safe/out calls at the plate, call time, and deal with managers and players when tempers flare.
In a sport where a game can ride on a single human judgment call made from a poor sight line, there's no reason not to do this.
This post was edited on 8/13/20 at 8:53 am
Posted on 8/13/20 at 8:56 am to Anaximander
That should have already happened.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 9:02 am to Anaximander
I honestly believe Rob Manfred and the commissioner's office has sent a mandate to all of the umpires to enlarge the strike zone to make the games go faster. Because this has happening in every game not just on occasion.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 9:10 am to Anaximander
Technology was awful when they tried it.
It would have to be much more effective than what we already have for me to even consider it. If they implemented it right now I would probably stop watching.
It would have to be much more effective than what we already have for me to even consider it. If they implemented it right now I would probably stop watching.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 9:10 am to Anaximander
There was a really bad one in the braves game a night or two ago where the catcher was setup outside, but the pitch missed so badly, because fastball instead of slider, and the catcher lunged to save a wild pitch...it was literally right down the middle - thigh high , and the ump called it a ball. it was insane
Posted on 8/13/20 at 9:32 am to Anaximander
Umpires have been worse than usual this season
Posted on 8/13/20 at 10:31 am to Bench McElroy
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I honestly believe Rob Manfred and the commissioner's office has sent a mandate to all of the umpires to enlarge the strike zone to make the games go faster. Because this has happening in every game not just on occasion.
I could see this. Especially since everyone knew that pitchers were going to have the toughest time with this shortened season. Expand the zone just a little to give the pitchers some help, since a lot of veterans and older guys are getting hurt, and there are a ton of minor league guys in the show right now.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 10:34 am to OneMoreTime
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Umpires have been worse than usual this season
They were trained by Angel Hernandez
Posted on 8/13/20 at 10:50 am to Feral
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In a sport where a game can ride on a single human judgment call made from a poor sight line, there's no reason not to do this.
The Braves got fricked out of championships by poor officiating.
I absolutely hate umps calling balls and strikes behind the plate. I think it is stupid not to go to computer called games. It's fair for both teams and takes personal bias out of the game.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 12:30 pm to offshoretrash
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The Braves got fricked out of championships by poor officiating.
That still pisses me off
Posted on 8/13/20 at 1:10 pm to Feral
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The robot ump/automated strike zone is one technical advancement where I just can't understand why the MLB would be resistant to it. The strike zones have been all over the place this year.
There are still kinks in the robot umps...they aren't 100%. There is human error involved in how the zone is implemented and designed and there is also a certain amount of interpretation in entering the data for the program that determines balls and strikes.
Now are they more accurate than human umps, I'm sure they are but some folks think they are balls on 100% correct every pitch and that's just not the case. Several articles available on it for anyone interested....Like this:
Properly calibrated, SportsVision claims Pitch f/x is accurate to within 1 inch, with the following significant limitations (hint: PFX is rarely "properly" calibrated):
Measurement Error (Calibration Error) by Stadium can be greater than 1.5 inches horizontally and 1.1 inches vertically. For instance, between 2007 and 2010, the largest measurement errors were: 2007 (Metrodome, 2.7 inches, Dolphin Stadium 2.4 inches & Fenway Park (1.7 inches), 2009 (Dodger Stadium, 1.9 inches) and 2010 (Miller Park 1.7 inches). This is a statistically significant error of >10%.
Pitch Location Drifting can occur during a game. Like anything else, the triangulated PFX naturally adjusts (lighting changes, the stadium itself actually moving with 40,000+ people in house, etc.) throughout the course of a game or series, resulting in location error.
Catcher reception, how catchers receive pitches. MLB's Zone Evaluation metrics, for instance, are what the League wants umpires to call. A catcher who absolutely butchers the reception of a pitch that winds up in the dirt probably won't get a strike call even if the pitch passes through the lowest portion of the strike zone—because that's how baseball has been played for the past century and the league wants to keep it that way. PFX will have it as a strike. ZE will throw it out.
The simple diameter of a baseball tends to confuse PFX ("center of the baseball" is not always recognized by the software).
This post was edited on 8/14/20 at 6:18 am
Posted on 8/13/20 at 2:49 pm to Anaximander
Jomboy had a video about this a couple weeks ago. A lot of catchers are starting to keep their gloves almost on the ground until the pitch is thrown, then when they catch a low one they do so with their glove moving up and they frame it in the strike zone so it looks like they caught it above the knees.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 3:02 pm to Anaximander
I absolutely agree that blue has been told to expand the zone this year, to cut down on game times.
But that pitch is insane.
But that pitch is insane.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 3:30 pm to LSUFanHouston
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I absolutely agree that blue has been told to expand the zone this year, to cut down on game times.
I’m not so sure about that. I don’t doubt they want quicker games, but they also don’t want the strikeout problem to get any bigger than it already is.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 3:44 pm to VADawg
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That still pisses me off
Maddux and Glavine benefitted from liberal strike zones
Posted on 8/13/20 at 3:45 pm to Anaximander
Fans didn't seem to mind.
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