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Posted on 11/21/13 at 10:22 am to arrakis
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I believe we are far better served by erring on the side of the woman in a case such as this.
Why not err on the side of facts instead of gender?
From what it seems, the biggest issue right now is that there is some question regarding the effort put forth to actually discover the facts.
I think what the poster means is simply that statistics reveal only a very small percentage of rape allegations usually prove to be outright fabrication.
That it's a number which pales in comparison to the amount of cases that are never even reported due to fear of not being believed, ostracization etc is what is particularly alarming when there's some intimation of a case like this not being investigated thoroughly.
This case may well be one of those that proves false (or more likely is never really "proven" either way) but the amount of people so eager to immediately believe the girl's claim is false highlights why so many actual cases are never reported.
This post was edited on 11/21/13 at 10:25 am
Posted on 11/21/13 at 10:22 am to JBeam
I am ALL FOR letting this go through the process and it needs to be handled VERY carefully with the possible ripple effects that will change so many lives/events in one form or fashion.
I DO however see a trend in some circles where it is believed that JW, being a star athelete/prospect, would have women swooning and flocking after him therefore he wouldn't have to commit an assault. This may be the case, BUT if at ANY point in the process of the relations the girl changes her mind and says "no" then it is upon the man to stop. This girl could have been drooling all over him the whole evening, "throwing herself" at JW however if at any point she got uncomfortable with the situation she was entitled to say no more.
Now, where the truth lies will be hard to determine if it gets to a "he said, she said" level without sufficient corresponding evidence to corroborate one side of the story. I do hope it wasn't a case, with the mentality I discussed of where JW went past a line drawn by the girl, if it was drawn, in the heat of the moment with the mindset that he was entitled to relations. I'm just speculating with this but it is plausible with the "jock entitlement" mentality out there however. This is a sad situation and I hope the truth surfaces.
I DO however see a trend in some circles where it is believed that JW, being a star athelete/prospect, would have women swooning and flocking after him therefore he wouldn't have to commit an assault. This may be the case, BUT if at ANY point in the process of the relations the girl changes her mind and says "no" then it is upon the man to stop. This girl could have been drooling all over him the whole evening, "throwing herself" at JW however if at any point she got uncomfortable with the situation she was entitled to say no more.
Now, where the truth lies will be hard to determine if it gets to a "he said, she said" level without sufficient corresponding evidence to corroborate one side of the story. I do hope it wasn't a case, with the mentality I discussed of where JW went past a line drawn by the girl, if it was drawn, in the heat of the moment with the mindset that he was entitled to relations. I'm just speculating with this but it is plausible with the "jock entitlement" mentality out there however. This is a sad situation and I hope the truth surfaces.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 10:27 am to JBeam
The opinions on this board border insanity.
"If he was so guilty, then why haven't charges been filed?"
Because FSU is #2 and in the driver's seat for a BCSNCG? They know that a charge=Winston getting kicked off the team.
"Sounds like some woman who is scorned by a lover"
Who went to the TPD at 4AM in the morning to file a police report to get back at him? How rational is it to think that this girl's master plan was to go commit a felony at 4AM to spite Winston?
"Let's defend the TPD even though most of the facts so far point to a coverup"
Unbelievable. If they had treated your daughter/SO the same way they have treated this girl to date, you would be up-in-arms and fuming.
This is a massive story and the DA is taking his time regarding the case. I'm sure there is a ton of pressure on him not to charge Winston at all.
Quit thinking like a fan and think like a human being. The facts that have come out to date point to this being a legitimate accusation. I want Satan and his Gumps to lose the BCSNCG and FSU provides the biggest threat to that IMO. It's immaterial though at this point.
"If he was so guilty, then why haven't charges been filed?"
Because FSU is #2 and in the driver's seat for a BCSNCG? They know that a charge=Winston getting kicked off the team.
"Sounds like some woman who is scorned by a lover"
Who went to the TPD at 4AM in the morning to file a police report to get back at him? How rational is it to think that this girl's master plan was to go commit a felony at 4AM to spite Winston?
"Let's defend the TPD even though most of the facts so far point to a coverup"
Unbelievable. If they had treated your daughter/SO the same way they have treated this girl to date, you would be up-in-arms and fuming.
This is a massive story and the DA is taking his time regarding the case. I'm sure there is a ton of pressure on him not to charge Winston at all.
Quit thinking like a fan and think like a human being. The facts that have come out to date point to this being a legitimate accusation. I want Satan and his Gumps to lose the BCSNCG and FSU provides the biggest threat to that IMO. It's immaterial though at this point.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 10:30 am to ShamelessPel
quote:What if your son is completely innocent and now he is being accused a rapist and may have to miss the rest of his potential Heisman and national championship season? Would you be fuming then as well? Because even if he gets proven innocent the damage is already done.
Unbelievable. If they had treated your daughter/SO the same way they have treated this girl to date, you would be up-in-arms and fuming.
ETA: No good comes out of this either way
This post was edited on 11/21/13 at 10:31 am
Posted on 11/21/13 at 10:36 am to slackster
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On a side note, this is the unfortunate fallout of the Duke/Kobe cases. One or two women falsely accuse an athlete of rape
The two cases aren't even remotely similar.
One case had a district attorney up for reelection use the case to bolster votes in a racially charged district, the other had the defendant outspend the prosecution 5 to 1 on legal fees.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 10:52 am to arrakis
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Why not err on the side of facts instead of gender?
That is perfectly fine. What do the publicly available facts tell you in this case?
-Winston was with this woman
-This woman went to the police immediately after she the alleged sexually assault
-This woman picked out Winston as the culprit and his roommate as the witness
I think those facts are enough to warrant a thorough investigation, no?
This post was edited on 11/21/13 at 11:04 am
Posted on 11/21/13 at 10:57 am to slackster
quote:It is clearly not a fact she was sexually assaulted. Also, you are conveniently leaving out the fact that there are two sworn affidavit testimonies in defense of Jameis. What if one of the testimonies is from the girls own roommate, who told the cops the girl is lying and it was consensual. Maybe the police did investigate and they found no merit.
This woman went to the polic immediately after she was sexually assaulted
Posted on 11/21/13 at 10:58 am to F machine
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Then what happens if he goes to trial an innocent man, but he is still convicted? It can happen.
That would be very unfortunate, but that is certainly the exception, not the rule.
What if Jameis never sees a court room but he is guilty of the crime? This happens far more often than someone being falsely convicted of rape.
Also, even though there are plenty of documented cases of false accusations of rape, even the most liberal of studies claim that more often than not, the rape claim is legitimate. I have no clue why this board feels the need to assume this is a crock of shite given the facts that are available.
Jameis may be innocent, but at the moment, the current facts do not seem to be in his favor. Period.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:00 am to slackster
quote:What about the fact of sworn testimonies in his favor? Those may be damning to the girls story, hence the reason he is yet to be charged. Stop only using the facts that make your case
Jameis may be innocent, but at the moment, the current facts do not seem to be in his favor. Period.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:02 am to lsupride87
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It is clearly not a fact she was sexually assaulted.
Should I put it in quotations? The fact is that she went to the police immediately after the alleged sexual assault. I'll reword it.
quote:
Also, you are conveniently leaving out the fact that there are two sworn affidavit testimonies in defense of Jameis. What if one of the testimonies is from the girls own roommate, who told the cops the girl is lying and it was consensual.
I haven't seen anything official on any affidavits in support of Jameis. I've heard conjecture on this board and others, but nothing factual.
quote:
Maybe the police did investigate and they found no merit
Perhaps, but we have not seen anything thus far that indicates this has been done.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:03 am to lsupride87
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What about the fact of sworn testimonies in his favor?
Is this a known fact at this point? Maybe I missed it.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:05 am to Silky Johnston
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Is this a known fact at this point? Maybe I missed it.
Supposedly has two affidavits from witnesses according to his lawyer.
The rumor is one is a football player and the accuser's roommate.
Again. Just a rumor on who they are.
This post was edited on 11/21/13 at 11:05 am
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:12 am to Rittdog
Is this girl from Alabama? Derp.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:38 am to Camp Randall
At the very least the dude shouldn't have cheated on his girlfriend who he IS STILL WITH AND WHO WAS COMING INTO TOWN THE VERY NEXT DAY ALL EXCITED AND shite. Tpos
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:43 am to IrvingAg13
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At the very least the dude shouldn't have cheated on his girlfriend who he IS STILL WITH AND WHO WAS COMING INTO TOWN THE VERY NEXT DAY ALL EXCITED AND shite. Tpos
Cheating = Bad boyfriend
Cheating =/= Felon
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:44 am to loweralabamatrojan
Well she has left campus..
Accuser leaves campus after allegations..
ETA: Oh man.. did TMZ post a "You gonna get rape" pic of Jameis.
Accuser leaves campus after allegations..
ETA: Oh man.. did TMZ post a "You gonna get rape" pic of Jameis.
This post was edited on 11/21/13 at 11:46 am
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:49 am to Rittdog
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:52 am to alabamabuckeye
TMZ sure picked a picture for Jameis...
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:53 am to Rittdog
YOU GON GET
LOVED CONSENSUALLY
LOVED CONSENSUALLY
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