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re: Did the Big 12 get it wrong with expansion?
Posted on 4/8/13 at 1:20 pm to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 4/8/13 at 1:20 pm to H-Town Tiger
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How many times do we have to discuss this until everyone gets it? Conference Expansion NOT about adding good football teams. It is about adding new markets.
I know this. But they overestimated the St. Louis market and Missouri's draw to it. We added a team that BARELY helps in that market and doesn't bring elite levels in any sport. Decent at some stuff, bad at others, and average academics.
I agree with the new market plan. Missouri was a swing and a miss. UNC, UVA or WVU would've been way better. UNC obviously would've been best, but that was a longshot, but UVA has international appeal and incredible academics to go along with powerful alumni and decent in most sports and GREAT in the smaller ones ala Stanford.
This post was edited on 4/8/13 at 1:21 pm
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Posted on 4/8/13 at 1:22 pm to TheCaterpillar
And a team that doesn't bring in 17 million in bowl revenue annually like Oklahoma would
Posted on 4/8/13 at 1:25 pm to Bama Bird
Inb4A&MFansSayingHellNotoOU
Posted on 4/8/13 at 1:40 pm to Ostrich
At least it wasn't Rutgers
Posted on 4/8/13 at 1:48 pm to TheCaterpillar
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We added a team that BARELY helps in that market and doesn't bring elite levels in any sport. Decent at some stuff, bad at others, and average academics
Really? An LSU fan claiming that Missouri has "average academics"?
As far as Oklahoma, if we could guarantee that they would be standalone, it would be a smart move.
Unfortunately, as long as Boone Pickens is alive, Oklahoma will never be free of Oklahoma State.
Posted on 4/8/13 at 1:50 pm to TheCaterpillar
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know this. But they overestimated the St. Louis market and Missouri's draw to it. We added a team that BARELY helps in that market
With the cable deals like the SEC Network, only the number of households matter, not the ratings. Now you can argue that particular business model may not be viable in the near future, but that is what they are basing it on. So yes, Mizzo brings you 2 big markets and as I mentioned they were well donw the priority list and taken when they were just to keep an even number.
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oesn't bring elite levels in any sport. Decent at some stuff, bad at others
Their men's BB program is probably 3rd in the conference, but damn, the SEC was already the best FB conference. We added a sleeping giant in A&M, we need more middle of the road teams.
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Missouri was a swing and a miss
no they weren't for the SEC N.
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UNC, UVA or WVU
I agree on UNC and UVA and so does Mike Silve. However, neither of those were interested in leaving the ACC. UNC may be tied to Duke and I suspect both would prefer the B1G.
Mizzo is better than WVU from a finacial stand point.
Posted on 4/8/13 at 1:58 pm to TheCaterpillar
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I know this. But they overestimated the St. Louis market and Missouri's draw to it. We added a team that BARELY helps in that market and doesn't bring elite levels in any sport. Decent at some stuff, bad at others, and average academics.
the market they added was the entire state of Missouri, not just St Louis. There are 6 million people n that state and having Mizzou will likely force cable/satellite companies into putting the SECN onto their basic packages. That's a ton of households.
Virginia (8.1M) and North Carolina (9.7M) are the two largest Southern states left that the SEC does not have schools in thus the reason the SEC would eventually be willing to take Virginia Tech and NC State if UNC and UVA are off the board.
This is also why Cincinnati (11.5M in Ohio) and Pitt (12.7M in Pennsylvania) have an outside shot at getting in if the SEC ever gets aggressive and strikes into Big Ten territory. Although you would have to think the SEC would target Notre Dame (6.5M in Indiana +national following) first if they started expanding into Big Ten territory.
West Virginia would have to make a very convincing argument they could carry Pittsburgh to move past the small population (just 1.8M) of the state before they got a look from the SEC.
This post was edited on 4/8/13 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 4/8/13 at 1:59 pm to Dr RC
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SEC would eventually be willing to take Virginia Tech and NC State if UNC and UVA are off the board.
those schools are all tied together if UNC and UVA stay put then so does VT and State
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and Pitt (12.7M in Pennsylvania)
um they are about the 3rd most popular team in the Pittsburgh area and no one likes them east of about 2 hours of the burgh
People in Pittsburgh would not subscribe to an SEC network and adding this to your league is an epic fail.
This post was edited on 4/8/13 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 4/8/13 at 2:01 pm to Bama Bird
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where will the line be drawn? What's the difference between 300 million and 350 million
for an individual, nothing. for a corporation, a lot. If you don't grow, you become stagnant. The SEC is where it is today, because of the extra revenue it has been bring in the last 20 years. There were people like you who said the same when Arky and USCe were added. If you stand pat, the other big conferences would grow and eventually over take you.
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I don't want to end up where we have 20,000 empty seats at the SEC football championship because Missouri and NC State happen to both make it one year
Neither would happen. Mizzo did make a Big12 title game, I'm pretty sure it was sold out.
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I, for one, would rather go after a team like Oklahoma. Who will be in elite bowls every year and their fan base will raise conference revenue in itself
first of all, outside of the BCS Bowls or what ever they will call them after 2014, the rest are contracted. Iff OU is in one, someone else won't be. If OU was in the SEC and good enough, they would just cancel out someone else's slot in a BCS bowl. I know the 2 team limit will be gone, but the SEC will have no problem filling 2 or more spots as is. Ok is not as big as NC or Va, so we are better off with NC St and VT if it goes to 16. We do not need to add ever elite FB program, we already have more than everyone else.
Posted on 4/8/13 at 2:04 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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those schools are all tied together if UNC and UVA stay put then so does VT and State
if the ACC stays intack, probably, but if FSU, Clemson and GT bolt, all bets are off.
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People in Pittsburgh would not subscribe to an SEC network
That's why they try and add it to the basic cable package.
Posted on 4/8/13 at 2:04 pm to TheCaterpillar
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But they overestimated the St. Louis market and Missouri's draw to it. We added a team that BARELY helps in that market and doesn't bring elite levels in any sport. Decent at some stuff, bad at others, and average academics.
I agree with the new market plan. Missouri was a swing and a miss. UNC, UVA or WVU would've been way better
sorry but can't agree with you on that
Posted on 4/8/13 at 2:05 pm to StraightCashHomey21
you can shite on Pitt all you want but they would get an invite before WVU.
and being in the SEC would instantly give them a ton more cred which would really help them longterm.
also, its not about subscriptions, its about forcing the network onto basic packages so that they viewer has no choice but to pay for them.
and being in the SEC would instantly give them a ton more cred which would really help them longterm.
also, its not about subscriptions, its about forcing the network onto basic packages so that they viewer has no choice but to pay for them.
This post was edited on 4/8/13 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 4/8/13 at 2:11 pm to Dr RC
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you can shite on Pitt all you want but they would get an invite before WVU.
um i doubt
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and being in the SEC would instantly give them a ton more cred which would really help them longterm.
they are in the ACC so what ever
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its about forcing the network onto basic packages so that they viewer has no choice but to pay for them.
these are not in basic packages, anyone who has the B1G like i do knows its included in a separate sports pack.
Posted on 4/8/13 at 2:12 pm to Dr RC
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you can shite on Pitt all you want but they would get an invite before WVU
Lol no
Posted on 4/8/13 at 2:27 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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anyone who has the B1G like i do knows its included in a separate sports pack.
Unless you live in a Big Ten State. When I lived in Illinois from 2007-2009, the Big Ten Network was part of the standard digital package on Comcast.
Posted on 4/8/13 at 2:28 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
B1G Network is standard on Uverse. Even in Alabama
Posted on 4/8/13 at 2:29 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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When I lived in Illinois from 2007-2009, the Big Ten Network was part of the standard digital package on Comcast
did it include all like 6 channels or just one
that and Pittsburgh is not the major state university in the state that would have its fans demand even the channel included in basic tv. Their fans don't even care enough to go to games.
This post was edited on 4/8/13 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 4/8/13 at 2:34 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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did it include all like 6 channels or just one
Big Ten Network only has 2...and it did include both.
Posted on 4/8/13 at 2:35 pm to Dr RC
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you can shite on Pitt all you want but they would get an invite before WVU.
No, neither has a shot
Posted on 4/8/13 at 2:36 pm to StraightCashHomey21
its not the major U in the state that is true.
but I also said they only have a shot if the SEC gets aggressive towards the Big Ten.
I dont see that happening in the near future but it is a possibility which gives them a faint glimmer f hope.
that glimmer is larger than the one WVU has concerning the SEC.
program wise, y'all are for sure the better get.
but economically you can't add what forcing the SECN into Penn (or Ohio w/Cincy) could do.
but I also said they only have a shot if the SEC gets aggressive towards the Big Ten.
I dont see that happening in the near future but it is a possibility which gives them a faint glimmer f hope.
that glimmer is larger than the one WVU has concerning the SEC.
program wise, y'all are for sure the better get.
but economically you can't add what forcing the SECN into Penn (or Ohio w/Cincy) could do.
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