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re: Did Curry just have the worst finals for an MVP, ever?
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:21 pm to shel311
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:21 pm to shel311
quote:He was FASTER post-injury. Or are you now an eyeball test guy that disregards objective data?
And when he did he wasn't remotely as successful post-injury as he was pre-injury. That was as clear as day IMO.
This post was edited on 6/22/16 at 1:22 pm
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Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:22 pm to shel311
quote:His movement was absolutely fine. His lack of going to the rim had to do with him choosing to do so, and the way cleveland played him. I cant allow the injury excuse when his movement looked great on the defensive end. So am I supposed to believe his injury allowed him to play great d, which needs a ton of movement, but it wouldnt allow him to drive on the other end?
Offensively, when he was all of a sudden not nearly as aggressive going to the rim where he excels post-injury?
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:22 pm to lsupride87
Curry says he's not injured, His coach says he's not injured, Shel's up in here saying "You can't prove he's not injured". 
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:25 pm to shel311
Here is a good article prior to game 7. LINK
quote:
To the eye, Curry might not look right. He seems slower. He isn't as sharp. His shots seem a little flatter. He seems to be more clumsy with the ball. But a dive into the empirical evidence doesn't suggest a drastic difference between Curry's pre-injury and post-injury performances.
quote:Here is the biggest takeaway though:
n. In the regular season, he averaged 4.32 miles per hour and spent 6.7 percent of his time running quickly, according to SportVU analysis. In the postseason? Those numbers are 4.35 mph and 7.0 percent. If anything, Curry is slightly speedier than his unanimous MVP self. His workload numbers are nearly identical as well.
quote:
A deeper look into Curry's shot analytics reveals something fascinating: The easy shots have become difficult.
quote:So he was able to make the hard shots but not the easy ones, BUT that must be due to an injury?
The craziest thing is Curry has been better on contested 3s than wide-open ones in the postseason. When a defender is within 6 feet, he's effectively shooting 59.2 percent on his 3-pointers, compared to just 56.9 percent on the easier opportunities.
This post was edited on 6/22/16 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:25 pm to lsupride87
quote:Gee, I wonder why. Surely it couldn't be because he knew he wasn't as good as the rim becuase of an injury.
His lack of going to the rim had to do with him choosing to do so
quote:You mean switch on everything, thus matching him up on bigs that are easier to go by than a guard?
and the way cleveland played him
quote:I mean, ok. The entire NBA figured him out in the playoffs and figured out how to stop him from going to the rim, and when he did, they figured out how to make him wayyyyyy less successful. If that's what you're running with, ok. I disagree.
So am I supposed to believe his injury allowed him to play great d, which needs a ton of movement, but it wouldnt allow him to drive on the other end?
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:27 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:An injury would definitely not have an bearing on yielding this type of result.
A deeper look into Curry's shot analytics reveals something fascinating: The easy shots have become difficult
You already stated the data was straight line speed, which isn't nearly as relevant to his game as agility and cutting.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:28 pm to shel311
quote:Sometimes you get too defensive with players
The entire NBA figured him out in the playoffs and figured out how to stop him from going to the rim, and when he did, they figured out how to make him wayyyyyy less successful. If that's what you're running with, ok. I disagree.
Even for my standards. Defense does play harder and quicker in the postseason. That will have a negative impact on Curry more than it will on other players. I think that is logical and not some intangible hooey that you are trying to dismiss it asThis post was edited on 6/22/16 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:29 pm to shel311
quote:Then provide some evidence that his poor play is due to injury.
An injury would definitely not have an bearing on yielding this type of result.
You already stated the data was straight line speed, which isn't nearly as relevant to his game as agility and cutting.
You are arguing from the same, evidence-lacking perspective that you ARGUE AGAINST all the time.
Why are you resorting to this? Are you just a contrarian? I feel like I'm arguing against boom.
Why can't we just accept that Curry just played poorly, not unlike Lebron in 2011?
This post was edited on 6/22/16 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:31 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:Agreed. Out of character for him
You are arguing from the same, evidence-lacking perspective that you ARGUE AGAINST all the time.
quote:I think he feels we are calling Curry a "choker" or "not clutch." And he hates those buzz words. As do I. But we arent actually doing that
Why are you resorting to this? Are you just a contrarian?
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:33 pm to buckeye_vol
you're getting you arse handed to you. Just like I do. Best thing for you to do is back your way out of the thread bro.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:34 pm to shel311
quote:So you're tellin' me, that because of an injury(btw, dude at MOST was hurt. Not injured), Curry didn't want to shoot shots closer to the basket?
Gee, I wonder why. Surely it couldn't be because he knew he wasn't as good as the rim becuase of an injury.
I don't think there is anything to figure out. Players don't want to chase his arse around in the regular season. They don't want to close out as much. Don't wanna be as crisp.
The playoffs will always be harder on him, IMO.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:35 pm to lsupride87
quote:To make him go from one of the best/top 5 at the rim to what I assume is wayyyyyy below average? Ok, again I couldn't disagree more if that's your take.
Defense does play harder and quicker in the postseason. That will have a negative impact on Curry more than it will on other players. I think that is logical and not some intangible hooey that you are trying to dismiss it as
I just find it odd, whether there's surgeries or not, all that talk, the stuff we actually saw with him wrapping up his shoulder on ice, and I guess you just chalk ALL of that up to nothing, a big show if nothing, no injuries. All the rumors and talk were ALL false. I mean, that's pretty far out there for respectable media outlets to go that far out of their way to make up claims, or for multiple sources to give media outlets claims that were not just false(possible surgeries), but just flat out lies and incorrect stuff to say he's hurt, when he isn't. Seems odd.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:35 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:Your delusion has become endearing. Don't ever change.
you're getting you arse handed to you. Just like I do. Best thing for you to do is back your way out of the thread bro.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:36 pm to shel311
quote:Provide these claims then.
that's pretty far out there for respectable media outlets to go that far out of their way to make up claims
Besides nobody is refuting that he wasn't banged up; that's part of playing a 100 game season.
It's just ignorant reasoning to conclude that he played poorly due to injury, when there is no direct evidence to support this. Again, it's possible, but your making conclusions based on unsupported assumptions. You're better than that.
Although boom thinks this is an impressive argument. That that for whatever it's worse.
This post was edited on 6/22/16 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:37 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:You're asking me to do something that is literally impossible. But just because I can't actually do that doesn't make it so.
Then provide some evidence that his poor play is due to injury.
Why do you think he played poorly? And after you tell me why, prove it.
quote:Why can't you accept that he was injured? FWIW, I'm fairly certain that's more of the common take than your take. Can't prove that either, but I'm confident that more people realized he was banged up than people are saying, nope he was just as healthy as any other player.
Why can't we just accept that Curry just played poorly
This post was edited on 6/22/16 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:38 pm to lsupride87
quote:Nope, I'm saying you're saying he was not injured. I'm saying that is wrong.
I think he feels we are calling Curry a "choker" or "not clutch." And he hates those buzz words. As do I. But we arent actually doing that
I'm saying you have a list of reasons why he didn't play well, and an injury isn't one of them. I'm saying I don't think that's correct.
This post was edited on 6/22/16 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:39 pm to buckeye_vol
Your lack of self awareness is stunning. And hilarious.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:40 pm to shel311
quote:Did't he have similar numbers last year? Hell he shot the 3 better in this finals didn't he? While injured? Kid is a god
To make him go from one of the best/top 5 at the rim to what I assume is wayyyyyy below average?
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:43 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:He shot the 3 ball 4.4% lower in the Finals compared to his league average.
Hell he shot the 3 better in this finals didn't he? While injured? Kid is a god
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:46 pm to shel311
quote:Seriously? My point is that we don't know why he played poorly so making an assumption of some singular reason is problematic.
You're asking me to do something that is literally impossible. But just because I can't actually do that doesn't make it so.
It's entirely possible that he was injured and that caused it, but concluding that it's some primary reason is the problem.
quote:I don't know why. I don't know why LeBron played poorly in 2011.
Why do you think he played poorly? And after you tell me why, prove it.
I would think it's better to conclude that it's some plethora of natural basketball reasons (like when any player plays poorly) BEFORE coming to some conclusion that it's related to an injury, illness, etc.
quote:I can accept that he COULD have been injured. But I'm not going to accept he WAS injured and it WAS the reason he played poorly.
Why can't you accept that he was injured?
quote:I think it's a common take that he may have been injured; that's a huge difference than an absolute conclusion.
FWIW, I'm fairly certain that's more of the common take than your take.
quote:Do you literally not have any idea that I'm not arguing against this as a POSSIBILITY. I'm arguing against this as a CERTAINTY.
more people realized he was banged up than people are saying, nope he was just as healthy as any other player.
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