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re: Definitive picture for the 4th down play
Posted on 1/27/25 at 2:49 pm to KosmoCramer
Posted on 1/27/25 at 2:49 pm to KosmoCramer
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he down the line shot, his helmet stripe is parallel to the line to gain. From the overhead shot from the back, it doesn't look like it is parallel to the line which leads to think those images aren't synced exactly as you're saying.
Because the overhead angle is taken as Josh was being turned and thrown down.
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Posted on 1/27/25 at 2:49 pm to Dire Wolf
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the refs do a lot of assuming when it comes to spotting the ball
I agree, but that's a different issue. Replay assist cannot use assumptions though, which is why the call wasn't overturned.
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the majority of the time they are borderline winging it
Absolutely. This is no different.
Had the marked it as a first down it also would have stood as a first.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 2:51 pm to RB10
quote:So you are straight up now saying you aren’t positive this is a football in his hand?
I'm not the only one saying it though.
You realize that’s ridiculous right?
Posted on 1/27/25 at 2:52 pm to lsupride87
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So you are straight up now saying you aren’t positive this is a football in his hand?
It’s absolutely a football. But that picture doesn’t show where it is relative to the line to gain. As you insist it does.
This post was edited on 1/27/25 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 1/27/25 at 2:52 pm to lsupride87
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So you are straight up now saying you aren’t positive this is a football in his hand?
It most likely is. Most likely isn't definitive though.
ETA: Like the other poster is saying, even though I'm 99% sure it's the football, it doesn't show where it is on the field, so your point is still moot.
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You realize that’s ridiculous right?
It's only ridiculous to you because you need everyone to tell you you're right.
There's literally another poster saying the same thing as me.
This post was edited on 1/27/25 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 1/27/25 at 2:53 pm to RB10
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Replay assist cannot use assumptions though,
they should use their eyes
Posted on 1/27/25 at 2:53 pm to RB10
Even the chiefs biggest board homer admitted it’s clearly a football. Dude you jumped the shark saying that isn’t indisputable
Posted on 1/27/25 at 2:54 pm to lsupride87
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Even the chiefs biggest board homer admitted it’s clearly a football. Dude you jumped the shark saying that isn’t indisputable
You just don't understand what indisputable means apparently.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 2:55 pm to Dire Wolf
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they should use their eyes
I'm sure they used them to say they can't definitively say the ball reached the line to gain so the call "stood" but wasn't "confirmed".
Posted on 1/27/25 at 3:00 pm to KosmoCramer
quote:Here you go. Was using the other image for better zoom
Another point: In the down the line shot, his helmet stripe is parallel to the line to gain. From the overhead shot from the back, it doesn't look like it is parallel to the line which leads to think those images aren't synced exactly as you're saying.
This is the direct synched overhead photo to the down the line photo. Shows the helmet stripe marching and ball directly under face mask
Posted on 1/27/25 at 3:03 pm to lsupride87
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This is the direct synched overhead photo to the down the line photo. Shows the helmet stripe marching and ball directly under face mask
That photo shows Josh’s ENTIRE torso beyond the line to gain. The other from down the yard line shows he never pushed that far. This photo is clearly distorted by being up and behind, and Josh being 6-5.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 3:04 pm to gdzgft28
I’m simply using that photo to show where the ball is relative to his helmet 
We already know from the down the line angle his helmet reaches the 40
We already know from the down the line angle his helmet reaches the 40
This post was edited on 1/27/25 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 1/27/25 at 3:05 pm to gdzgft28
They need the have the sky cam directly over the football. That would have told the definitive evidence.
But they can't have it there because it could be a pass play
But they can't have it there because it could be a pass play
Posted on 1/27/25 at 3:33 pm to lsupride87
The Ref probably had an urge to call first down but decided not to and let the replay "decide". I've seen them do that shite a lot.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 3:48 pm to lsupride87
quote:in a fairly recent game (within the past three weeks) the ref guy in the booth literally said "but they don't have this angle for replay" and I thought that was fricking wild.
My question is did they not have this view in replay?
OK it wasn't within the "past three weeks"
, but found it 
This post was edited on 1/27/25 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 1/27/25 at 3:53 pm to lsupride87
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This is the direct synched overhead photo to the down the line photo. Shows the helmet stripe marching and ball directly under face mask
This photo is taken from an angle, not directly overhead, so there can be some adjustment to where the ball is. I do not know if he made it or not. But using that picture is not a gotcha like you think it is, it is close.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 4:00 pm to lsupride87
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I’m simply using that photo to show where the ball is relative to his helmet We already know from the down the line angle his helmet reaches the 40
Your photos aren’t synched. 27’s helmet isn’t touching 32. in the overhead. In the down the line (that’s shows his helmet at the 40) 27’s helmet is on 32’s shoulder. You would not be able to see the numbers on 27’s jersey if the overhead shot was synched with the down the line shot.
The overhead shot is earlier in the play where Josh’s helmet had not reached the 40. Your down the line still is later as Josh is being turned and thrown down.
This post was edited on 1/27/25 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 1/27/25 at 4:11 pm to gdzgft28
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The ref with the least obstructed view marked him short. The ref who marked it a first couldn’t have seen the ball cross because Chris Jones was in his way.
Then why even mark it? Why not just let the ref with the better view mark it? It looks bad when you have 2 different markings. But to be honest, both refs were guessing because it’s still hard to see the ball on slow replay.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 4:13 pm to sms151t
quote:The ball is undeniably directly even with his face mask
This photo is taken from an angle, not directly overhead, so there can be some adjustment to where the ball is
Posted on 1/27/25 at 4:16 pm to PeteRose
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Then why even mark it? Why not just let the ref with the better view mark it? It looks bad when you have 2 different markings. But to be honest, both refs were guessing because it’s still hard to see the ball on slow replay.
The ref with the better view did mark it. Short. And yes they were both just guessing because you couldn’t see much. And that’s the point. Whatever was called would have stood on review because nothing was conclusive. But the ref with the best view said it was short.
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