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re: David Griffin: building a team around LeBron was miserable
Posted on 8/1/19 at 12:59 pm to Boomshockalocka
Posted on 8/1/19 at 12:59 pm to Boomshockalocka
Derrick Favors wanted to go to New Orleans so Utah did him a favor. Clearly New Orleans is currently the most desired location in the league.
Same with the Lakers guys. This is the only possible conclusion we could come to.
Same with the Lakers guys. This is the only possible conclusion we could come to.
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Posted on 8/1/19 at 1:02 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:
said Griffin, who wonders if James, now with the Los Angeles Lakers, is more preoccupied with other priorities.
"There wasn't a lot else for him," Griffin said. "I don't think he's the same animal anymore about winning."
This post was edited on 8/1/19 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 8/1/19 at 1:02 pm to TotesMcGotes
Favors was not a guy who could have gone wherever he wanted. Or even close to it. Favors is not really very good. He appeared that he was gonna have a promising career when he first entered the league. But never really progress.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 1:06 pm to WestCoastAg
Does negging fall under the tampering rules?
Posted on 8/1/19 at 1:06 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:
I mean, yeah Lebron giving zero commitment ever and holding them hostage to make bad roster moves for a couple years to try to keep him probably isn’t fun as a GM.
Well it had to be like that.
Cavs management had proven in the past that they weren't going to do the right thing unless they were held hostage.
In any event, frequently, building a champion isn't very fun. It's stressful. Everyone would be doing it if it were fun.
This post was edited on 8/1/19 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 8/1/19 at 1:06 pm to WestCoastAg
I suggest people read the actual article, which is great and has context, not this hot take article pulling quotes out of context.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 1:09 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:Here was the actual context, not the ESPN added context:
WestCoastAg
quote:He was clearly referring to the season after the Finals win, where the Cavs (and LeBron) came out and didn't try nearly as hard as they did in the previous season.
They of course found vindication in 2016, historically overcoming a 3-1 series deficit against the 73-9 Golden State Warriors in the NBA Finals. The following season, however, brought that fantasy summer crashing back to reality. James’ contagious hunger to deliver a championship for Northeast Ohio dissipated. “There wasn’t a lot else for him,” Griffin says. “I don’t think he’s the same animal anymore about winning.”
Regardless, is it tampering to talk shite about a player on another team?
quote:Griff clearly doesn't want LeBron on his team.
the letter of the law is that "no player, coach or management person may entice or induce a player under contract with another team to play for his team,"
Posted on 8/1/19 at 1:09 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:isnt it? ive always been under the assumption that executives and what not can not make any comment about any player under contract with another team
Regardless, is it tampering to talk shite about a player on another team?
This post was edited on 8/1/19 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 8/1/19 at 1:10 pm to Goldrush25
quote:Griff wasn't in charge for the first go-round.
Cavs management had proven in the past that they weren't going to do the right thing unless they were held hostage.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 1:11 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:
isnt it?
No, tampering is when you attempt to induce or entice a player that is under contract with another team to come to your team. It doesn't say that you can't ever mention the name of a player who is on another team.
ETA: if the Lakers are butthurt about the comments, they are capable of reaching out to the league office about this issue, where they can be laughed at
This post was edited on 8/1/19 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 8/1/19 at 1:12 pm to sicboy
It's a little silly the ESPN summary leaves out a lot of positive things Griffin said about LeBron.
I don't doubt that it's tough to manage the pressure that comes with LeBron, but LeBron doesn't come off a villain or someone impeding Griffin when you win the SI article. The big villain seems like a complete championship or bust mentality along with LeBron where the other things didn't matter.
quote:
“You’ve got to be willing to have very difficult conversations with LeBron,” Griffin says. “I always was, which is why we had a great relationship, because I would tell him what he needed to hear and he respected that I was telling him that for the right reasons.”
quote:
James accepted the GM’s feedback along the way. “He knew I could help him win,” Griffin says.
I don't doubt that it's tough to manage the pressure that comes with LeBron, but LeBron doesn't come off a villain or someone impeding Griffin when you win the SI article. The big villain seems like a complete championship or bust mentality along with LeBron where the other things didn't matter.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 1:14 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:
ETA: if the Lakers are butthurt about the comments, they are capable of reaching out to the league office about this issue, where they can be laughed at
Posted on 8/1/19 at 1:15 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:
isnt it? ive always been under the assumption that executives and what not can not make any comment about any player under contract with another team
Per Bobby Marks, this is the NBA rule on tampering:
quote:
Under NBA tampering rules, no player, coach or management person may entice or induce a player under contract with another team to play for his team.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 1:22 pm to sicboy
quote:Does he hang around on a different planet?
"LeBron is getting all the credit and none of the blame.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 1:27 pm to lsupride87
Come on bro every time lebron fails it is because he “didn’t have enough help”. The Man went 1-8, 1-8 in the finals v goat warriors and took no heat. It was excused.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 1:32 pm to Boomshockalocka
40% of people blame Lebron for everything and give him no credit
40% of people give Lebron all the credit and give him no blame
20% judge each individual action and moment
It’s crazy to say he gets no blame
40% of people give Lebron all the credit and give him no blame
20% judge each individual action and moment
It’s crazy to say he gets no blame
Posted on 8/1/19 at 1:40 pm to sicboy
Why wouldn’t Lebron get the credit?
Cle would 100% not have won a championship if Lebron didn’t play there.
Griffin hated his job because the method was inorganic and how Lebron was acquiring players that won that championship.
Seems like Lebron deserves the credit for the championship.
ETA: And Griffin got TONS of run and love in the media.
Cle would 100% not have won a championship if Lebron didn’t play there.
Griffin hated his job because the method was inorganic and how Lebron was acquiring players that won that championship.
Seems like Lebron deserves the credit for the championship.
ETA: And Griffin got TONS of run and love in the media.
This post was edited on 8/1/19 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 8/1/19 at 1:41 pm to lsupride87
I bet this thread has you conflicted af
Posted on 8/1/19 at 1:42 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:Because people have eyes
Come on bro every time lebron fails it is because he “didn’t have enough help”. The Man went 1-8, 1-8 in the finals v goat warriors and took no heat. It was excused.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 1:46 pm to ReauxlTide222
Griff is as close to the situation as possible and he is telling you what I been telling for years. you need to go ahead and re evaluate the way you look at these kinda things.
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