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re: DAT 2015-2016 Offseason Thread
Posted on 11/25/15 at 2:56 pm to tduecen
Posted on 11/25/15 at 2:56 pm to tduecen
quote:
Go with a 1 year cheap stop gap
Stop gap for who exactly? Colin Moran? Moran should be an decent everyday player - good OBP with average to slightly above average glove at 3B. But he is a below average runner with below average power for the position. It can be argued that Matt Duffy is at least on par with Moran everywhere while having higher upside offensively and he is already on the MLB roster. So I don't understand what a 1-year stop gap move at 3b would do considering the Astros roster is already filled with platoon type players at 3B (Val & Mgon) plus a prospect who may be on par with the guy I am assuming you think is the future of this stop-gap situation (Moran). And the FO has apparently already mentioned that there is a log jam at the position which led to Lowrie's trade, so not sure they would bring in another similar type player for that role to add to that jam.
Unless you mean stop gap to hold the Astros over until another good 3B becomes available via trade or free agency for 2017 season. But I cant see them making a stop gap move this offseason with the hope that a very good 3b is available next offseason.
If a move is made at 3B, I can see it being for a solid multiple year starter if anything.
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Posted on 11/25/15 at 3:11 pm to TTownTiger
I thought we could get a little more for Jed honestly. Not sure he would have had a huge role but still
Posted on 11/25/15 at 3:46 pm to TTownTiger
quote:until he is up and shows he can consistently deliver yes... if nothing else a platoon option that is cheaper than Lowrie.
Colin Moran? Moran should be an decent everyday player - good OBP with average to slightly above average glove at 3B. But he is a below average runner with below average power for the position
Posted on 11/25/15 at 4:43 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
How do you figure? Injury prone and had a bad year after the injury. Maybe at the deadline of '16 he'd have value if he got to play a lot,but his value was not great this winter.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 5:46 pm to tduecen
quote:
if nothing else a platoon option that is cheaper than Lowrie
That's what I am saying - Astros have three cheaper platoon players than Lowrie on the roster right now and one of which might become an everyday starter (Duffy) if he proves to have more everyday value than the other two (Val & MGon). I don't see why the Astros would bring in ANOTHER platoon player at that position for a year or two if all they are looking for is a short term bridge to Moran. They more than likely already have the short term solutions on the roster. Anyways, Lowrie's move was to clear up room on the 40 man roster; it wasn't salary related, imo. If they do bring in another 3B, I don't think being cheaper than Lowrie will have much to do with it.
I still just don't see logically why they would want to bring in another short term 3B this season. Maybe you're right though.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 5:50 pm to Ruxin
I mean it was a step barely above trading him for cash. A 23 year old AA middle reliever. I'm not complaining, just thought they could get a little more out of it. We had talked about it earlier in here how him and Valbuena didn't really fit together on the roster anymore so it certainly isn't surprising
He's been solid in the past if he stays healthy, which is obviously a massive if
He's been solid in the past if he stays healthy, which is obviously a massive if
This post was edited on 11/25/15 at 5:52 pm
Posted on 11/25/15 at 5:54 pm to TTownTiger
quote:How many have proven themselves in the majors though? Just because they are platoon option doesn't mean much. Even today when teams value young cheap options they still will take a risk on a veteran player and pair him with a young guy. At least to start the year and see what happens from that point forward. Freese on a 1 year 3m deal or 2 year 5m deal makes sense.
- Astros have three cheaper platoon players than Lowrie
Posted on 11/25/15 at 5:58 pm to tduecen
Valbuena and Marwin are proven. I don't see much value in signing someone like Freese to a one year deal
Posted on 11/25/15 at 6:27 pm to tduecen
quote:
How many have proven themselves in the majors though?
Considering 2 out of 3 were the astros starting 3b platoon for almost all of last season and the club made the playoffs, I think the FO would be comfortable giving them the gig for the short term. Valbuena has been in the league for what, 5 seasons now? He hit 25 HRs to go along with really good defense at 3rd. Marwin has been in the league for 3 seasons, I believe, and hit .279 with 12 HRs while playing pretty much all over the diamond. Combined their salaries are about $5.5 mil, I believe.
Then the young guy, Duffy, has been an all-star at every MiLB level he has played at including the PCL mvp in AAA last year.
So, veteran guys along with the young guy - just like you're saying. Still don't see why another Veteran 3b is brought in on a short term deal.
If Astros make a trade that include any of those guys already on the roster, then sure, sign a guy to replace them. But if none of those three are moved, then I still don't see it. Only way Astros bring in another 3B in this off season, IMO, is if its a really good 3B that is scheduled to be the starter for the foreseeable future. A move like that, probably via trade, would likely involve a Duffy or Moran
Posted on 11/25/15 at 6:51 pm to tduecen
I'll give you one possibility where they may bring in another 3b, but it needs a list of certain things to happen first:
If the roster stays the way it is now with no further trades that effect 1b or 3b:
1) AJ Reed doesn't start with the MLB club on opening day (reasonable probability)
2) Chris Carter is no longer on the team (reasonable)
3) Singleton is not on the MLB roster on opening day (reasonable)
If all of that happens, it means Val/MGon probably start off the season as the 1b platoon instead of 3b. Astros may sign the type of 3b you are talking about if all of that happens.
Other than that, bench space is limited and you don't need 4 guys who's primary position is 3b on the 25 man roster.
If the roster stays the way it is now with no further trades that effect 1b or 3b:
1) AJ Reed doesn't start with the MLB club on opening day (reasonable probability)
2) Chris Carter is no longer on the team (reasonable)
3) Singleton is not on the MLB roster on opening day (reasonable)
If all of that happens, it means Val/MGon probably start off the season as the 1b platoon instead of 3b. Astros may sign the type of 3b you are talking about if all of that happens.
Other than that, bench space is limited and you don't need 4 guys who's primary position is 3b on the 25 man roster.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 7:07 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
Middle relief is underrated.
-signed the Astros bullpen during game 4 of the 2015 ALDS
-signed the Astros bullpen during game 4 of the 2015 ALDS
Posted on 12/1/15 at 1:26 pm to Ruxin
Crasnick tweets that the Astros are shopping Carter ahead of tomorrow's non-tender deadline.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 1:34 pm to Lsuhoohoo
He also tweeted we were open to trading Marisnick. Someone go check on TX he just had a heart attack 
Posted on 12/1/15 at 1:39 pm to Lsuhoohoo
Tomorrow is the day we have all waited for
Carter gets non tendered
I really don't want to trade Jake. He's a huge asset on the bench and I still think he has a lot of potential offensively. Plus I saw him ripping shots at Little Woodrow's
Carter gets non tendered
I really don't want to trade Jake. He's a huge asset on the bench and I still think he has a lot of potential offensively. Plus I saw him ripping shots at Little Woodrow's
This post was edited on 12/1/15 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 12/1/15 at 1:43 pm to dhav14
Jake is a team guy. I think he gets the best out of our other outfielders.
But don't mind me, I'm just a Jake fanboy.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 2:47 pm to TXGunslinger10
I think Jake might be the DAT's favorite player
Fascinating how much his good looks can make us ignore some of his at bats
Fascinating how much his good looks can make us ignore some of his at bats
Posted on 12/1/15 at 3:07 pm to dhav14
I'd be disappointed if Jake was traded. His defense is superb and he's great to have if someone goes down long term.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 7:51 am to 5 Deep
quote:
I think Jake might be the DAT's favorite player
The 2014/15 version of Kike Hernandez? By the way, anyone see how well he did in LA this season? Hit .307 with 202 ABs and had an OPS of .836. Somewhere Ryno is crying about it haha
Posted on 12/2/15 at 7:55 am to 5 Deep
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This post was edited on 4/10/23 at 3:10 am
Posted on 12/2/15 at 9:23 am to mkibod1
quote:
Ryno
Where is that dude? Did he finally OD on creatine or something?
Or did Prom finally catch him in a cross-walk and run over him with his Pride Go-Go mobility scooter?
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