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re: DAT -- Why are the Astros singled out when their plan is clear?

Posted on 4/3/13 at 10:47 am to
Posted by piggidyphish
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2009
18880 posts
Posted on 4/3/13 at 10:47 am to
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rebuilding


I thought the astros weren't allowed to use this term
Posted by TXGunslinger10
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2011
18175 posts
Posted on 4/3/13 at 10:49 am to
What would you like us to use?

"Temporary Suckage?"
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
104146 posts
Posted on 4/3/13 at 10:51 am to
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What would you like us to use?

"Temporary Suckage?"


Going for the first pick.
Posted by Bunta
Member since Oct 2007
12703 posts
Posted on 4/3/13 at 10:52 am to
They should waste money and continue to suck.
Posted by piggidyphish
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2009
18880 posts
Posted on 4/3/13 at 10:52 am to
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What would you like us to use?


I'm all for calling it rebuilding...i don't see the aversion that the astros have placed on using it.
Posted by Prominentwon
LSU, McNeese St. Fan
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 4/3/13 at 11:12 am to
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I'm all for calling it rebuilding...i don't see the aversion that the astros have placed on using it.


Que?
Posted by MottLaneKid
Gonzales
Member since Apr 2012
4543 posts
Posted on 4/3/13 at 11:19 am to
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quote:


What would you like us to use?




I'm all for calling it rebuilding...i don't see the aversion that the astros have placed on using it.



I have loved the Astros for the past 32 years. My question is "weren't the guys rebuilding three years ago ? How long is this process take ? I know it going to take at least another 3 years but damn...the Stros are the New Pittsburgh Pirates.

It seemed like everytime that had a player worth a damn like Hunter Pence or Michael Bourne, they cut them loose and got draft picks. You keep doing that, you will never build a consistent winner. I can't name you anyone on the roster except Bud Norris and Atullve. What pisses me off too is that Baton Rouge doesn't carry the games anymore on the radio .
This post was edited on 4/3/13 at 11:20 am
Posted by Sgt_Hulka
Member since Mar 2013
206 posts
Posted on 4/3/13 at 11:25 am to
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The almost Perfect Game


Almost or not - the Astros lineup was simply owned last night. Unfortunately, I believe there will be many high-K, low scoring efforts for the Astros this year. The roster is full of high-K but big power guys -- last night will repeat itself. Sure, they may get a hit in the first inning or so, but I suspect there will be many 1 or 2 hit shut-out nights coming the Astros way.

That said, I can see the team also having a bunch of 8 - 2 games in their favor just like opening night. This team will be the definition of feast or famine.

As for Carter, I like his swing. However, I'm not sure he has a good eye for strikes - I hope he improves there. I can see him being another Jason Lane. I'm more excited about Brett Wallace. Sure, he looked inept against Darvish last night - but his swing is much improved over last year. I think the guy will put it together this year.

I think the argument of the Astros playing for the 1:1 pick this year is valid. However, MLB is a business. Crane has every right to manage his business for long-term growth and profit. Right or wrong from an 'unstated rules' point of view, I like how Luhnow is managing the process. I still think Crane is an idiot and should never talk in public. But he made a smart move in hiring Luhnow.
Posted by piggidyphish
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2009
18880 posts
Posted on 4/3/13 at 11:28 am to
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Que?


link

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The Astros refuse to call 2013 a rebuilding year, but rather a re-invigoration for the future.


it was also discussed quite a bit on the sunday night baseball broadcast and again last night by the astros broadcast guys.


I understand they know it's rebuilding, but for marketing, moral or whatever other reason they aren't calling it that. I don't understand why not.

I'm a cubs fan, Theo and Jedd say rebuilding almost to much. But it does remind me that 101 loss seasons are a means to an end and they're nto trying to sugar coat that i can expect another 90+ loss season this year.
This post was edited on 4/3/13 at 11:33 am
Posted by Sgt_Hulka
Member since Mar 2013
206 posts
Posted on 4/3/13 at 11:32 am to
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It seemed like everytime that had a player worth a damn like Hunter Pence or Michael Bourne, they cut them loose and got draft picks. You keep doing that, you will never build a consistent winner.


This is true -- they did move their better players for prospects. However, keep in mind, the Purpura regime had several years where they simply did not put any new talent in the farm system. Pence was the last young talent they had available -- he is not a guy you can build a team around. He is a guy you add as a finishing touch to complete a contender roster (see SF Giants).

Also keep in mind that this is the first year where the Astros are not over-paying for under-performing "Stars" -- Wandy and Carlos Lee were waaay overpaid for what they brought the team. Now that the payroll is freed up, once the Astros have a nucleus of young talent - they'll add the star-power to get them to be contenders again. Simply put, very few of the players that are every day starters on this team would be everyday starters anywhere else. Until that changes, don't expect a lot of money to be invested in FA.

Don't expect the "rebuilding/temporary suckage" period to be over until 2015 season.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
43858 posts
Posted on 4/3/13 at 11:40 am to
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when their plan is clear?


What exactly is the plan?
Posted by Commando
Never Never Land
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 4/3/13 at 11:58 am to
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Now that the payroll is freed up, once the Astros have a nucleus of young talent - they'll add the star-power to get them to be contenders again




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Simply put, very few of the players that are every day starters on this team would be everyday starters anywhere else


Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
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Posted on 4/3/13 at 11:59 am to
stros do not have prospects nearly as good as yelich and hernandez
Posted by LSUFanNTX
Seabrook, TX
Member since May 2005
9108 posts
Posted on 4/3/13 at 12:02 pm to
What exactly is the plan?

Build up the minor league system and use it to restock when needed. Or what the Cardinals have been doing for years.
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
102362 posts
Posted on 4/3/13 at 12:08 pm to
The national talking heads were fapping last night, not because Darvish was throwing a perfect game but because they wanted to say I told you so about the Astros.
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
102362 posts
Posted on 4/3/13 at 12:14 pm to
Just heard on ESPN

"Does the fact that Yu Darvish was facing the Astros take anything away from his near perfect performance last night? We'll talk to ESPN baseball expert Buster Olney."

Oh give me a fricking break. Did the poor pathetic pitiful Astros not just beat that very same Rangers team by 6 runs 2 nights ago?
Posted by piggidyphish
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2009
18880 posts
Posted on 4/3/13 at 12:18 pm to
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Just heard on ESPN "Does the fact that Yu Darvish was facing the Astros take anything away from his near perfect performance last night? We'll talk to ESPN baseball expert Buster Olney." Oh give me a fricking break. Did the poor pathetic pitiful Astros not just beat that very same Rangers team by 6 runs 2 nights ago?


I kind of agree with you, but when you have to fill up the meaningless hours before games start i can see this being a talking point. And there is a kernel of truth in there. Coming close to no hitting the other 29 teams in baseball would be more difficult.
This post was edited on 4/3/13 at 12:21 pm
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
11036 posts
Posted on 4/3/13 at 12:19 pm to
"Does the fact that Yu Darvish was facing the Astros take anything away from his near perfect performance last night? We'll talk to ESPN baseball expert Buster Olney."

I'm willing to bet a lot of money that Buster Olney did not say because it was against the Stros that it takes away from the performance.
Posted by CQQ
Member since Feb 2006
17048 posts
Posted on 4/3/13 at 12:21 pm to
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This is true -- they did move their better players for prospects. However, keep in mind, the Purpura regime had several years where they simply did not put any new talent in the farm system. Pence was the last young talent they had available -- he is not a guy you can build a team around. He is a guy you add as a finishing touch to complete a contender roster (see SF Giants).

Also keep in mind that this is the first year where the Astros are not over-paying for under-performing "Stars" -- Wandy and Carlos Lee were waaay overpaid for what they brought the team. Now that the payroll is freed up, once the Astros have a nucleus of young talent - they'll add the star-power to get them to be contenders again. Simply put, very few of the players that are every day starters on this team would be everyday starters anywhere else. Until that changes, don't expect a lot of money to be invested in FA.



Exactly. WTF is so hard about understanding the plan the Astros have? Strip the roster, draft well, actually sign your picks (something they haven't done in the last decade), and spend money when the time is right. Why the hell would I want my team, who I know will not be competitive, to give someone like Edwin Jackson a 4 year deal? With this TV deal, Crane will spend the money when their big prospects come up.
This post was edited on 4/3/13 at 12:22 pm
Posted by Prominentwon
LSU, McNeese St. Fan
Member since Jan 2005
95058 posts
Posted on 4/3/13 at 12:22 pm to
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Coming close to no hitting the other 29 teams in baseball would be more difficult.


Maybe so, but seriously, they're taking the Astros and basically calling them the '62 Mets.

Give me a break

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