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re: Controversy surrounds the Kentucky Derby this morning

Posted on 5/10/21 at 8:06 pm to
Posted by MikeD
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Posted on 5/10/21 at 8:06 pm to
quote:

Chipper Jones


Link? Don’t recall Chipper ever testing positive for PEDs
Posted by BourreTheDog
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Posted on 5/11/21 at 7:42 am to
So what time is the Preakness Draw announced?
Posted by Aspercel
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Posted on 5/11/21 at 10:05 am to
I think 4.

Bob’s team frantically googled until he found a topical cream containing the drug so he could say he accidentally gave it for dermatitis, just topically. I’m the the vet is hard at work backdating a bill right now

Banned substances in topical treatments are still banned substances. You can’t even use lavender on a horse is they are drug testing at a show.

Racing may have their easy out now, though.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 5/11/21 at 10:07 am to
ETA: Aspy beat me to it but here’s the article with the official statement.

And we have a new update. His legal council has released a statement going with the idea it was in an anti-fungal cream being used on the horse.

I wonder how long they had to look to find that.

quote:

After sharing excuses for two days, Bob Baffert’s legal counsel released a statement admitting that the Kentucky Derby winner was taking a drug containing the banned substance betamethasone leading into its victory at Churchill Downs. Medina Spirit was using the anti-fungal ointment Otomax, which contains the banned substance, to treat dermatitis following the Santa Anita Derby.


KSR update
This post was edited on 5/11/21 at 10:08 am
Posted by Aspercel
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Posted on 5/11/21 at 10:11 am to
Exactly.

I’m just scared they’ll make a ridiculous exception.

I don’t even do many rated shows, but when I do I make sure nothing I’m topically putting on my horse is prohibited. Baffert’s team is the same way. I’m sure they injected an ankle too close to the race but now they have a great excuse when anybody else pops positive for this drug
Posted by roobedoo
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Posted on 5/11/21 at 10:19 am to
Can anyone help explain the levels of the banned substance, ie..how much would need to be administered to register the result that was found?
Posted by Aspercel
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Posted on 5/11/21 at 10:27 am to
Read the article I posted on the last page. It does better than I ever could.

He probably would have had to bathe in it for levels in his blood to still register from a topical application, I would think. Hopefully somebody mathy goes into that.

I still think a joint was injected within the 14 day withdrawal period, or maybe they just used more than normal.

It was 2x the amount allowed. Which is zero.

Think of it like registering 2x the legal limit of you are pulled over. That wouldn’t be swept under the rug

I’ve been seeing him called Teflon bob again a lot more
This post was edited on 5/11/21 at 10:40 am
Posted by Aspercel
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Posted on 5/11/21 at 10:40 am to
Though I do see this as them knowing the second sample is going to come back positive
Posted by BourreTheDog
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Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:24 pm to
Evidently Baffert cut a deal to run the Preakness. This just sucks. Knew he wouldn’t get banned - too popular.

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Posted by Aspercel
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Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:50 pm to
They were never going to keep them out. Dancer’s image ran in ‘68 after being DQed in the derby for bute.

And unfortunately the field is

At least baffert won’t be screwing up his triple crown bid now when concert tour beats Medina by 1/2 a length.

I want to watch due to all baffert criticism I’ll see, but I don’t really want to watch him win

The Japanese horse is fricking adorable. Maybe I’ll watch and hope he hits the board
This post was edited on 5/11/21 at 1:51 pm
Posted by Witecoco
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Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 5/11/21 at 4:16 pm to
If its already been asked I apologize. If this drug/medication supposedly has no bearing on the outcome of a given race, why is it illegal? Does/can it mask other substances?
Posted by Aspercel
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Posted on 5/11/21 at 4:29 pm to
Things can mask other things but it does have an outcome. It is generally used as a joint injection and for sure masks pain. See his positive test for it in the oaks last year. Most of baffert’s positives are for things masking pain. Baffert runs sore horses all the time.

I highly doubt it was from use as a topical ointment as baffert claims. I think the horse having a skin thing made for a plausible story. Everybody around that horse knows it’s a drug that is tested for. There are plenty of other treatments that can be used that don’t test.

It also looks to have not worked at all based on pictures of the rash from after the Santa Anita Derby through today. Almost as if nothing was put on it...
This post was edited on 5/11/21 at 4:32 pm
Posted by thegambler
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/11/21 at 4:33 pm to
When handicapping a race, it's hard to figure in doping. Juicing a horse is unfair to folks who bet on the races and it is a crime. Plus, it probably isn't good for the horse.
Posted by Aspercel
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 5/11/21 at 4:40 pm to
It isn’t. But this isn’t “juicing” like y’all think. It’s giving stuff so the horses run hurt. Which is DEFINITELY not good for the horse.
Posted by LanierSpots
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Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 5/11/21 at 4:47 pm to
quote:

It was 2x the amount allowed. Which is zero.




Im going to need to see that math baw..



2 x 0 = ?
Posted by Aspercel
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 5/11/21 at 4:53 pm to
It was reported as twice the amount allowed, but I think that was the old amount. It changed to zero this year. I went back and edited, and not very well

The limit does not exist
This post was edited on 5/11/21 at 4:54 pm
Posted by Witecoco
Metairie
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 5/11/21 at 4:54 pm to
So this is more of a saftey issue concerning horse then?
Posted by Aspercel
Member since Jan 2009
116837 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 4:58 pm to
A horse that doesn’t hurt will run faster. I’d say in addition to being for horse safety it affects the outcome of the race.
This post was edited on 5/11/21 at 5:00 pm
Posted by Witecoco
Metairie
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Posted on 5/11/21 at 4:59 pm to
Fair enough. Thx.
Posted by stlslick
St.Louis,Mo
Member since Nov 2012
14607 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 12:15 pm to
finally 1 big owner takes a stand:

quote:

Daisy Phipps Pulito @daisypp

Actually Phipps Stable has already talked to Shug and won’t run in any race at Pim this weekend where we don’t feel like we are running on a level playing field.
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